Hassan 4:14 mile

vivalarepublica wrote:

Theoretically, she could take a shot at the 10,000m AR right now, if you look at the conversion calculators. But she is in great 1500/5000 shape right now, which might be too heavy on the speedwork and not enough on the sustained strength needed for a great 10k performance. Has anyone ever been in world class 1500m and 10k shape at the same time, besides Mo Farah?

Yes. Sifan Hassan. The topic of this thread.

Not to mention; Bekele, Geb, Kipchoge, Dibaba, Budd, hell even Rowbury showed potential for it (Houlihan still hasn't run as fast over 1500). Houlihan is still one of the best runners in the world, but she's not revolutionary in any way.

Hassan:

5 Global medals

800 Metres 1:56.81 Monaco (MON) 21 JUL 2017

1000 Metres 2:34.68 Hengelo (NED) 24 MAY 2015

1500 Metres 3:56.05 Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015

One Mile 4:14.71 London (GBR) 22 JUL 2018

3000 Metres 8:28.90 Birmingham (GBR) 20 AUG 2017

5000 Metres 14:22.34 Rabat (MAR) 13 JUL 2018

Houlihan:

0 Global medals

800 Metres 2:01.12 Sacramento (USA) 29 JUN 2014

1500 Metres 3:57.34 Lausanne (SUI) 05 JUL 2018

One Mile 4:31.79 Dublin (IRL) 24 JUL 2015

3000 Metres 8:37.40 Monaco (MON) 21 JUL 2017

5000 Metres 14:34.45 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 21 JUL 2018

Can we please bring this thread back from the Houlihan highjacking. She has her own threads. But she's only run 4:31 and Hassan just ran the 3rd fastest mile of all time, 17 seconds faster than SH.

TrackBot! Compare Sifan Hassan vs. Shelby Houlihan

TrackBot! Compare Sifan Hassan vs Shelby Houlihan

Beautiful running.

Take note...of the half of the field were literally on the ground, gasping for

air. That's the way all competitive runners should run a mile!

Well, of course, this might be the first and last season that Houlihan runs at top level. Another poster showed her testing results for the past few years, and she has hardly been tested AND was never tested out of season. That situation will surely change.

Don't expect any improvements next year.

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ezby wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

Theoretically, she could take a shot at the 10,000m AR right now, if you look at the conversion calculators. But she is in great 1500/5000 shape right now, which might be too heavy on the speedwork and not enough on the sustained strength needed for a great 10k performance. Has anyone ever been in world class 1500m and 10k shape at the same time, besides Mo Farah?

Yes. Sifan Hassan. The topic of this thread.

Not to mention; Bekele, Geb, Kipchoge, Dibaba, Budd, hell even Rowbury showed potential for it (Houlihan still hasn't run as fast over 1500). Houlihan is still one of the best runners in the world, but she's not revolutionary in any way.

Okay, but check back when Hassan actually runs a 10k. Farah ran a 3:28 and won the World Champs 10k in the same year. That is unprecendented, even among the all time greats.

vivalarepublica wrote:

ezby wrote:

Yes. Sifan Hassan. The topic of this thread.

Not to mention; Bekele, Geb, Kipchoge, Dibaba, Budd, hell even Rowbury showed potential for it (Houlihan still hasn't run as fast over 1500). Houlihan is still one of the best runners in the world, but she's not revolutionary in any way.

Okay, but check back when Hassan actually runs a 10k. Farah ran a 3:28 and won the World Champs 10k in the same year. That is unprecendented, even among the all time greats.

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking theoretically?

Unless I'm mistaken, Houlihan hasn't run a 10km yet. Theoretically, Hassan would walk all over Houlihan in a 10km. I'm not sure why you brought up Houlihan's 10km potential (which wouldn't cause a blip on the radar of Ayana, Dibaba, Defar, Cheruiyot et al), in a thread about Hassan running the THIRD FASTEST MILE EVER.

ezby wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

Okay, but check back when Hassan actually runs a 10k. Farah ran a 3:28 and won the World Champs 10k in the same year. That is unprecendented, even among the all time greats.

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking theoretically?

Unless I'm mistaken, Houlihan hasn't run a 10km yet. Theoretically, Hassan would walk all over Houlihan in a 10km. I'm not sure why you brought up Houlihan's 10km potential (which wouldn't cause a blip on the radar of Ayana, Dibaba, Defar, Cheruiyot et al), in a thread about Hassan running the THIRD FASTEST MILE EVER.

Because another poster mentioned Houlihan's potential at the 10k and half mary. That's why I mentioned it.

Anyways, I don't think too many men and women that have exceled at the 1500/5000 have taken a serious go at the 10k and up, and Mo Farah, Geb, and Bekele seem to be the only 5000/10000 runners that went for a fast 1500. Choge probably has the best 800-half perofemances ever.

On the women's side, I can't think of any sub-4 1500 runner has a great 10k time. Wang Junxia and her turtle soup doesn't count. Defar has run 4:02/29:59, and Gelete Burka ran 3:58/30:26. If Hassan or Houlihan or G. Dibaba or any of the other 1500 stars at the moment ran sub 30, they could make a claim to best all time range on the track. Plus, Houlihan probably cpuld run sub 2 in the 800, if she took a go at it.

ezby wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

Okay, but check back when Hassan actually runs a 10k. Farah ran a 3:28 and won the World Champs 10k in the same year. That is unprecendented, even among the all time greats.

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking theoretically?

Unless I'm mistaken, Houlihan hasn't run a 10km yet. Theoretically, Hassan would walk all over Houlihan in a 10km. I'm not sure why you brought up Houlihan's 10km potential (which wouldn't cause a blip on the radar of Ayana, Dibaba, Defar, Cheruiyot et al), in a thread about Hassan running the THIRD FASTEST MILE EVER.

Even theoretically, I doubt Houlihan would be walked over by Hassan. Houlihan just ran a 14:34, with at least 2k running solo,

From that it's not unreasonable to extrapolate a mid-14:20s in her, which isn't far off Hassan's 14:22, and so they should have comparable 10k times as well.

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There's still the 3K.

George213 wrote:

Do the math wrote:

Compared to where she was on a few days ago, she's over half way there!

As to what it will take to get the WR, Houlihan's beaten Hassan twice in the past month and a half. Hassan just went 14:22, which means Houlihan's PB is really 14:21.

Wow, that escalated quickly.

My bad. I agree with V, who was injecting some realism into speculations about what SH can do this season. I was trying bolster his case by poking fun at posters who treat wild extrapolations as if they were real times. I guess that didn't work. Oooops! Sorry to have pushed the dicussion farther off track

vivalarepublica wrote:

Theoretically, she could take a shot at the 10,000m AR right now, if you look at the conversion calculators. But she is in great 1500/5000 shape right now, which might be too heavy on the speedwork and not enough on the sustained strength needed for a great 10k performance. Has anyone ever been in world class 1500m and 10k shape at the same time, besides Mo Farah?

Thing is why would anyone in their right mind aspire to become an international track 10K runner whilst Ayana is competing. She is unbeatable at the 10k and will never lose a 10k race in her career. Houlihan would be in the Tirunesh Dibaba mould if she did attempt a 10k - So basically she would be a pack runner with a big kick on the last lap. - Dont see many possibilities for her to break the AR with that strategy. - lets not forget that Molly Huddle was dragged through to the AR by the fastest female 10K in history, That day in Rio was the perfect storm of events and frontrunners enabling her to the AR. - This will never happen again, and I highly doubt she could stay in the same lap as Ayana full stop.

vivalarepublica wrote:

Fastest mile ever by a woman not linked to doping. Well done.

"not linked to doping"? Obviously incorrect, see e.g. Subway's links on page 2 here.

Nobody says that any of these 1500/5000 aces has to try beating Ayana in a championship race. Why not train for a fast 10k earlier in the season, get some pacers lined up, and a go at it? Sorta like how Mo Farah used to do half marathons in the spring. Why not step up for a couple fast 10k's in the spring and hen get back to the 1500/5000 for the meet of the season.

I mean, 10k training isn't that different than 5k training. Step up the mileage a bit, increase the length and volume of the workouts, keep some of the speed, and have a go. Of course, this increase comes with a risk of injury and diversion from core events, so I think that's why we don't see more 5k runners try the 10k. Aling with the sheer lack of 10k opportunities these days.

Do the math wrote:

As to what it will take to get the WR, Houlihan's beaten Hassan twice in the past month and a half. Hassan just went 14:22, which means Houlihan's PB is really 14:21. In other words, to get the world record, she just needs to lower her PB a little over 10 seconds. That seems very doable.

Ayana is one of the most egregious dopers ever. No clean woman has run under 30 in the 10,000.

Houlihan is in 1:55/3:55/14:30 shape and could beat Hassan.