Jarmila Kratochvílová - Current 800m World Record Holder

Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:

Nips and tatties wrote:

Lovely. now prove that.

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zxcvzxcv wrote:

It will probably take the fall of the Moroccan royalty and the emergence of a democracy in Morocco to open up the books and let us see the national doping system they've had since the 1980s.

Exactly, given the number of fails, something is being covered up by somebody.

Coevett wrote:

Lol, I was being ironic. It's the argument the African doping apologists here such as ex-letsrunner use - 'you can't suspect El G of doping just because so many other Moroccans were doped up on EPO, that's racist'.

Isn't El G white?

T&F Observer wrote:

Kratochvílová was a late developer, not breaking 53 seconds for the 400 metres until she was 27, and she was 32 when she set her world records.

I can't verify if this statement is true but if so, there has never been a more clear case of doping than this. Who the hell takes OVER FOUR SECONDS off her 400 meter time in five years, especially from age 27 to age 32? That even puts FloJo's progress to shame.

I can actually see her pen15 in one of those pictures

I can tell that honestly, without any interest - No way that Jarmila Kratochvilova was doper. I mean - more than others including Brits, US or African athletes. Czechoslovakia cannot be compared with East Germany & USSR, even the system was different. No program at all - Jarmila was a freak of nature. Perhaps with similar characteristics as Semenya, but still... She's a woman.

It's understandable that people suspect her, but genius is not measurable. She could ran even faster!

People classify things on predictions without knowing the real situation, possibilities and infrastructure. Ex-communist countries are crucified always. Even in this site which is probably best in the World and, generally, open minded.

Czech Republic and former Czechoslovakia produced some of the best athletes ever. Kratochvilova stands high close to Zatopek and Železny as one of Top 20-25 Top athletes ever. Not to mention many other Olympic gold medalists and WR holders.

Don't believe the hype.

Looks toned but more feminine now.

http://www.nasepojizeri.cz/_cms/gf/modules/fotogalerie/48564/dsc_4914.jpg

My bet, a naturally high T-level for J.K.

"Czechoslovakia cannot be compared with East Germany & USSR?" Sorry Souly - secret documents reveal that Czechoslovakia systematically and officially administered steroids and other illegal substances to athletes throughout the 1970s & 80s. Most Eastern Block countries were running state-sponsored doping programs...nothing new there. They were all using the same PEDs and techniques while conducting extensive research into "glow times" and how to beat the testing of that era:

The NY Times story here has information from Czech doping documents with Kratochvilova's name identified among them:

Lot of EL Guerrouj hater here, particularly that guy that call himself ironically "Morrocan Magics". Personally if I had something against a country, I would never take an "ironic name" to bash in forums.

Now if you look to El Guerouj performances at that time, they have no "super-human" aspect.

Noureddine Morceli run 3:27.37 in 1995 which is not too far.

Bernard Lagat himself run 3:26.34 in 2001

The twenty year runner Noah Ngeny, gone from almost unknown in 1998 to 3:43.40 in mile (1999) second best all time best performance in mile, and 3:28.12 in 1500m (2000).

Now what did El Guerrouj and didn' do any other runner (particularly Coe and Ovett) is that he remained almost unbeatable for 8 years. His most notable losses were ironically in the grand rendez vous event (finales Olympic Games 1996 and 2000). And if you look the way he was beaten in Sidney 2000, the last couple of meters, with a couple of 0.01 seconds. The same thing apply to his final 5000m in the world championship 2003 where he deserved to win more than any other runner in that final because he lead the pack for more 400m in the last tour.

Also El G. is the unique runner that run less 3:27 in 1500m at least three times.

Now if we go to Jarmila Kratoshvilova performances we see this

1 1:53.28 Jarmila Kratochvílová Czechoslovakia 26 July 1983 Munich

2 1:53.43 Nadezhda Olizarenko Soviet Union 27 July 1980 Moscow

and ...

and ... 15 years later

3 1:54.01 Pamela Jelimo Kenya 29 August 2008 Zürich

everything here show that these old records were made in obscure contexts.

C'mon man....El G is suspicious. There is a high prevalence of doping in Morocco with numerous doping positives from 2002 through to the present day (basically as soon as the EPO test became available. Lol). Morocco also has numerous runners that served bans for ABP violations for hematological anomalies and dopers with multiple convictions.

Still is!

https://www.idnes.cz/onadnes/zdravi/svetovy-rekord-jarmily-kratochvilove.A150625_162353_behani_mao/foto

What would You say if some eastern Europe newspapers reveal 377 positive doping tests in L.A. '84 (Czech boycotted games). You would probably call it propaganda.

All ex-commie countries doped? All Arabs? All Kenyans?

But we still suppose West is automatically clean? One had a doping program the other had not.

Are people outside of the West unscrupulous trash without moral? It seems so...

Sir Sebastian can erase times that don't suit IAAF, he even can get back some WRs in his pocket if it's the point of the story.

I'm O.K. with erasing records every year, and setting new ones every next day, but who'll remember it?

Her 1:53.28 800m WR is equally legal as was Coe's 1:41.73.

Souly wrote:

What would You say if some eastern Europe newspapers reveal 377 positive doping tests in L.A. '84 (Czech boycotted games).

I would say "That's impossible!" The US tested extensively before the Games to make sure nobody would glow in LA.

Could not happen! wrote:

Souly wrote:

What would You say if some eastern Europe newspapers reveal 377 positive doping tests in L.A. '84 (Czech boycotted games).

I would say "That's impossible!" The US tested extensively before the Games to make sure nobody would glow in LA.

Blood doping was the par for the course during the 1984 Olympics... Track cyclists proved it, I’m sure T&F athletes were not far behind... lol

Not Steve Scott wrote:

That first pic looks like a buff Steve Scott.

I can see that - I was thinking more Roger Daltrey in his frizzy hair stage.....

from what little ive read,jarmila didnt start serious training,till 1978,and she ran the 400 in close to 51 flat.She was probably full natty when she ran that,because she had to have super talent,to begin with.By the early 1980s,she was muscular,and very strong.Either she was on a cocktail of steroids,or she was like semenya,and mutola.I first heard of jarmila in 1989,when i saw pics of her in a book featuring world record holders.I was a teenager,and honestly thought she was a man ! she came back in 1987,no longer so muscled,and running under fifth at the world championships.She still managed to go sub 1.58,about 4 and a half seconds outside her best.

Really, she is not worse than Griffith Joyner, the american jewel who died at 38.

1:53:28 is actually relatively slow compared to her sub 48 400m time.

I ran a 1:53 of a 52.0 400m.

How slow was she over 1500m? Seems like she was all power.