CA xc coach wrote:
Meh, meh wrote:
He gets a lot out of his athletes in high school. That's impressive.
What's not impressive is what they do when they get to college. No, not impressive at all.
Blame the high school coach for what the college coach can't replicate. Not impressive at all.
All these high school coaches who have athletes that don't do anything in college ought to be coaching in college.
High School kiddo wrote:
2 of his top girls posted yesterday that they ran 15 miles. One at 7 min pace and the other at sub 7 min pace.
Sure he doesn't burn them out?
Where'd they post this?
The coaches at these top HS programs are very good motivators, just not so sure they are really concerned as much for the well being of their athletes as they claim to be. It is All about winning and unfortunately the kids are used to make that happen.
The NXN regulars flat out train more than everybody else, they also seem to be receiving more and more transfers to achieve that goal.
It is widely known that these kids train a ton year round. More than is necessary. This is all about getting a bunch of kids to buy in and throw all caution to the wind. Coaches turn down the volume on their conscience.
the real thing... wrote:
The coaches at these top HS programs are very good motivators, just not so sure they are really concerned as much for the well being of their athletes as they claim to be. It is All about winning and unfortunately the kids are used to make that happen.
The NXN regulars flat out train more than everybody else, they also seem to be receiving more and more transfers to achieve that goal.
It is widely known that these kids train a ton year round. More than is necessary. This is all about getting a bunch of kids to buy in and throw all caution to the wind. Coaches turn down the volume on their conscience.
What do you consider training a ton and throwing caution to the wind? In the past 6 years I've coached 3 individuals that made it to Foot Locker plus 3 individuals and 1 team that made it to NXN. Out of all of them only one averaged more than 50 miles per week and that was only during their senior year. Everybody else was below 50 and several on the team that made it were below 40 that season. If that's throwing caution to the wind and long term damage has been done I'd feel horrible about it, but I don't think that's the case.
All about perspective wrote:
the real thing... wrote:
The coaches at these top HS programs are very good motivators, just not so sure they are really concerned as much for the well being of their athletes as they claim to be. It is All about winning and unfortunately the kids are used to make that happen.
The NXN regulars flat out train more than everybody else, they also seem to be receiving more and more transfers to achieve that goal.
It is widely known that these kids train a ton year round. More than is necessary. This is all about getting a bunch of kids to buy in and throw all caution to the wind. Coaches turn down the volume on their conscience.
What do you consider training a ton and throwing caution to the wind? In the past 6 years I've coached 3 individuals that made it to Foot Locker plus 3 individuals and 1 team that made it to NXN. Out of all of them only one averaged more than 50 miles per week and that was only during their senior year. Everybody else was below 50 and several on the team that made it were below 40 that season. If that's throwing caution to the wind and long term damage has been done I'd feel horrible about it, but I don't think that's the case.
Ok, good for you. You are not one of the programs making the annual trip to Portland. I don't consider the training you are talking about to be throwing caution to the wind. You can go back and read the previous couple of posts regarding the 15 mile long runs at sub 7:00 pace for girls and go from there........
I would have loved to have run for a competitive team, with a knowledgeable coach, when I competed in high school. Instead, I had a coach who had no clue how to coach and many of my teammates were injured or uninterested in competing at a high level. I had no clue what I was doing and was lucky I had parents that ran competitively and could give me some advice. Most of the coaches at the top level do a great job of guiding the kids.
High Tech High has had multiple scholarship runners in their short history. School is 1500 students. Seem to always have runners under 2:00 and under 4:30. (You know, times that win state titles in crappy red states.)
Where do these kids go now?
I think your point is quite insightful. One way to get an edge over other high school coaches is to do some college style training stuff that other high school coaches either don't know how to do, or because of numbers and safety reasons, err on the side of caution and choose not to do. High School athletes in such a program get an edge during high school, but often don't make as much improvement in college because they've already got the improvement in performance from employing those techniques.
If a high school coach does this and consistently wins in high school, he or she is a pretty good coach. If a lot of his or her athletes get hurt in high school, he or she is not a very good coach.
If the standard for being a great coach is not developing kids closer to their potential than other high school coaches (so that they make major improvements in college) yet still developing them to the point that they consistently beat other high school athletes, I doubt there are many "great" high school coaches.
Funny wrote:
When your school enrollment is 3500, you better be good!
The new school he coaches has more than 3100 people too. Anyone else shocked by the small number of girls that ran the time trial?
Either their girls team is small or a lot of girls on the team chose not to do the time trial.
2:00
“The depth in this group is tremendous. At the end of the day, We’re always trying to build three varsities at the same time”.
That’s why Doug’s teams are always so good and reloading
of course he is!!!
Running addict wrote:
All he does is win!
He has coached TWO different high schools to a NXN title
He is still no Joe Newton- you are talking about a man who won 28 state titles, most of which were in a state with only 2 divisions. Who medalled 44 times in 50 years. Who won the first NXN, many postal championships, a state track title, had the fastest 4x800 for a long time, had one of the greatest XC teams ever under Don Sage (24 points! 5 in the top 12!), who coached the Olympics, who had over 100 runners on his teams for something like 40+ years, who could remember your best time even if you ran for him 44 years ago, and who was tough as nails. If you ask Coach Soles who is the greatest I would think he might Coach Newton.
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Running addict wrote:
All he does is win!
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He is still no Joe Newton- you are talking about a man who won 28 state titles, most of which were in a state with only 2 divisions. Who medalled 44 times in 50 years. Who won the first NXN, many postal championships, a state track title, had the fastest 4x800 for a long time, had one of the greatest XC teams ever under Don Sage (24 points! 5 in the top 12!), who coached the Olympics, who had over 100 runners on his teams for something like 40+ years, who could remember your best time even if you ran for him 44 years ago, and who was tough as nails. If you ask Coach Soles who is the greatest I would think he might Coach Newton.
If nxn ALWAYS existed, how many national titles would the York boys team have won?
Meaningless question. Cannot be answered.
