World's fastest man Zharnel Hughes (9.91) claims he's run 9.79 in practice - Do sprinters regularly PR in practice?

ex-runner wrote:

Reminds me of Galen Rupp's 10.9 or even Nick Willis' 11.11 lol

Training times are make believe. ESPECIALLY sprint times. Every decent distance runner I know claims to have run 23s for a last 200m rep or 11 flat for 100m etc.

Sprinters are no different, just the times get faster.

Yeah but those are with rolling starts, so it’s completely believable

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Reminds me of Galen Rupp's 10.9 or even Nick Willis' 11.11 lol

Training times are make believe. ESPECIALLY sprint times. Every decent distance runner I know claims to have run 23s for a last 200m rep or 11 flat for 100m etc.

Sprinters are no different, just the times get faster.

Yeah but those are with rolling starts, so it’s completely believable

Lol no, they aren't.

Vaporflyer wrote:

What he means is he's run 9.79 just after he cycled. The trick is to do it after PCT.

The drugs that are used for PCT when taking steroids are easier to detect than many steroids. You sir are an idiot.

ex-runner wrote:

Reminds me of Galen Rupp's 10.9 or even Nick Willis' 11.11 lol

Training times are make believe. ESPECIALLY sprint times. Every decent distance runner I know claims to have run 23s for a last 200m rep or 11 flat for 100m etc.

Sprinters are no different, just the times get faster.

Well, I did run a 11.8 for 100m wearing flats, granted it's not "11-flat"and hand-timed , but it's not far off, and I barely can break 17 for 5k. I suppose it's indisputable that world-class runners like Mo and Bekele, both of whom are also known for their finishing kick, wouldn't have a worse 100m's time than mine.

Distance runners can sprint, sorry to enlighten you.

Sledge_hammer wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Reminds me of Galen Rupp's 10.9 or even Nick Willis' 11.11 lol

Training times are make believe. ESPECIALLY sprint times. Every decent distance runner I know claims to have run 23s for a last 200m rep or 11 flat for 100m etc.

Sprinters are no different, just the times get faster.

Well, I did run a 11.8 for 100m wearing flats, granted it's not "11-flat"and hand-timed , but it's not far off, and I barely can break 17 for 5k. I suppose it's indisputable that world-class runners like Mo and Bekele, both of whom are also known for their finishing kick, wouldn't have a worse 100m's time than mine.

Distance runners can sprint, sorry to enlighten you.

There is no chance Rupp would've run 10.9 in training, rolling start or not.

Barakus Obama wrote:

Sledge_hammer wrote:

Well, I did run a 11.8 for 100m wearing flats, granted it's not "11-flat"and hand-timed , but it's not far off, and I barely can break 17 for 5k. I suppose it's indisputable that world-class runners like Mo and Bekele, both of whom are also known for their finishing kick, wouldn't have a worse 100m's time than mine.

Distance runners can sprint, sorry to enlighten you.

There is no chance Rupp would've run 10.9 in training, rolling start or not.

How not? I’m way slower than Rupp and I’ve run 11.5 hand time with a rolling start. There’s no reason to believe Rupp can’t run around 11 flat with a rolling [\b] start.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Barakus Obama wrote:

There is no chance Rupp would've run 10.9 in training, rolling start or not.

How not? I’m way slower than Rupp and I’ve run 11.5 hand time with a rolling start. There’s no reason to believe Rupp can’t run around 11 flat with a rolling [\b] start.

Because you haven't

ex-runner wrote:

Reminds me of Galen Rupp's 10.9 or even Nick Willis' 11.11 lol

Training times are make believe. ESPECIALLY sprint times. Every decent distance runner I know claims to have run 23s for a last 200m rep or 11 flat for 100m etc.

Sprinters are no different, just the times get faster.

The distance times are real.....

Running start + hand timed, anyway. It's fairly common for a race to be closed in 24-25 at the end of a race. Of course with those conditions a distance guy already at flying speed can get up to 11.xx pace.

From blocks, FAT...even low 12s would be pretty suprising.

LM wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Reminds me of Galen Rupp's 10.9 or even Nick Willis' 11.11 lol

Training times are make believe. ESPECIALLY sprint times. Every decent distance runner I know claims to have run 23s for a last 200m rep or 11 flat for 100m etc.

Sprinters are no different, just the times get faster.

The distance times are real.....

Running start + hand timed, anyway. It's fairly common for a race to be closed in 24-25 at the end of a race. Of course with those conditions a distance guy already at flying speed can get up to 11.xx pace.

From blocks, FAT...even low 12s would be pretty suprising.

This guy gets it.

ex-runner wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

How not? I’m way slower than Rupp and I’ve run 11.5 hand time with a rolling start. There’s no reason to believe Rupp can’t run around 11 flat with a rolling [\b] start.

Because you haven't

Haha

Sledge_hammer wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Reminds me of Galen Rupp's 10.9 or even Nick Willis' 11.11 lol

Training times are make believe. ESPECIALLY sprint times. Every decent distance runner I know claims to have run 23s for a last 200m rep or 11 flat for 100m etc.

Sprinters are no different, just the times get faster.

Well, I did run a 11.8 for 100m wearing flats, granted it's not "11-flat"and hand-timed , but it's not far off, and I barely can break 17 for 5k. I suppose it's indisputable that world-class runners like Mo and Bekele, both of whom are also known for their finishing kick, wouldn't have a worse 100m's time than mine.

Distance runners can sprint, sorry to enlighten you.

No they cannot, sorry to enlighten you.

Jeilan came the closest to sprinting as does a long sprinter. None can sprint as does a short sprinter. This is an old topic that recurs with every new season, or with every new crop of distance enthusiasts.

Even great short sprinters struggle to maintain it over 200m; by 400m the form is already different.

Can any elite 10k guy do a flying 11-flat 100m in flats? IDK, but I think that Jeilan may have come close at his peak. Rupp, not really. Not even hand-timed, unless hand-timed by a moran.

Understand that the requirements of true short sprinting are essentially antithetical to distance excellence. The better someone is at distance, the less they will be able to approximate short sprint form. Long sprint form is closer to a fast run, which is what distance people do.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

LM wrote:

The distance times are real.....

Running start + hand timed, anyway. It's fairly common for a race to be closed in 24-25 at the end of a race. Of course with those conditions a distance guy already at flying speed can get up to 11.xx pace.

From blocks, FAT...even low 12s would be pretty suprising.

This guy gets it.

Not really. Low 12’s FAT from blocks is not possible for any distance elite. It will be 13 seconds and up. Look up the old Farah 100m thread for enlightenment.

As for Hughes, yes sometimes race simulations are done in practice, but not at this time of the season.

You can sometimes bust out a great one in training because some days you just feel great, which is what sprinting is all about. A 9.79 in training, with no RT and with a good wind, once, is not totally implausible, but not at this time of year.

More likely this was a motivational crap hand-time by an optimistic coach.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

This guy gets it.

Not really. Low 12’s FAT from blocks is not possible for any distance elite. It will be 13 seconds and up. Look up the old Farah 100m thread for enlightenment.

You people keep moving up with your FAT 100m times. Not breaking 13? Are you mad? I’m pretty sure if a mediocre distance runner like me can break 12 from blocks Ruppster can break 13. You’re really underestimating things just because you think you can sprint.

10.9 flying start is definitely believable for someone with 3:50 mile speed. It's just not that impressive a time

A flying start is worth, what, like .9+ seconds?

11.high is just not that quick

With due respect to all, once again I suggest you get in a race and try it, and post for us a verifiable result.

Same issues, new cast, same situation, and it will be the same outcome. I have been through this a great many times in my 50+ years, and it always goes the same way.

LM wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Reminds me of Galen Rupp's 10.9 or even Nick Willis' 11.11 lol

Training times are make believe. ESPECIALLY sprint times. Every decent distance runner I know claims to have run 23s for a last 200m rep or 11 flat for 100m etc.

Sprinters are no different, just the times get faster.

The distance times are real.....

Running start + hand timed, anyway. It's fairly common for a race to be closed in 24-25 at the end of a race. Of course with those conditions a distance guy already at flying speed can get up to 11.xx pace.

From blocks, FAT...even low 12s would be pretty suprising.

What races are closed in 24-25 seconds haha? Fairly common where! Even in Rudishas world record he's running 26s by the end.

And I was talking about decent runners as in 3:45 guys. But even 3:30 guys aren't routinely, or ever, closing 1500m races in 24 haha. Maybe the Rio super slow final. That's it.

Harambe wrote:

10.9 flying start is definitely believable for someone with 3:50 mile speed. It's just not that impressive a time

A flying start is worth, what, like .9+ seconds?

11.high is just not that quick

Flying start is different to a rolling start also. Bolt with a flying start ran 8.7 actually timed by competent systems.

I'm sorry but every distance guy on here claiming 11.5s hand timed, it just doesn't mean a thing. The room for error on hand timing is huge, even moreso with rolling starts. I'm not saying it's impossible at all, but just that the time you registered means little with regards to the time you actually ran or the time you could run when timed correctly.

I'd suggest you go and run a 100m at an open meet and see how difficult it actually is. Farah struggled. 12.8 lol. Not a great conversion from his '11.0'.

In the late 1970s, Glenn Cunningham was still telling crowds at road races that he had broken 4:00 in training back in the 1930s. Some people think his coach may have lied to him about the hand time, as it seemed that Cunningham truly believed he had run sub-4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-minute_mile#Glenn_Cunningham_(1920s)