rekrunner wrote:
What do you think makes Monaco track so special?
Why do think it is legitimate to discard times at the Monaco track?
i have gone over this numerous times, but as you have said over and over and over you dont feel like reading my posts cause they arnt worth your time. this isnt MY opinion, you spout your opinion ALL the time as if its FACT AND TRUTH....i POST DATA then try to make LOGICAL conclusions off of what is THERE
but before we get into monaco for the 90th time, why didnt you answer my other question
you dont believe the ~4% gain....so what do you think is the gain? all that sh*t you talked to me and now you admit EPO works and kenyans are abusing it, but now your beef is the 4%. so since your so f*cking much smarter than everyone else, just late on the train, what is the % gain?
now back to monaco
in 2010 monaco got a face lift on its surface. in the 1500m very strangely people run 2-3 seconds FASTER than ANYWHERE ELSE EVER. in andrew wheatings case 4 seconds!
its pretty easy to see something is off when you look at the 1500m ALL time (you know the list that everyone assumes im so f*cking dumb i have never seen it). so you go to the list and then highlight all the times from monaco since 2010
1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998
2 3:26.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
4 3:26.45 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 12.08.1998
5 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 17.07.2015
6 3:26.89 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 16.08.2002
7 3:26.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 08.09.2002
8 3:27.21 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.2000
9 3:27.34 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 19.07.2002
10 3:27.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Nice 12.07.1995
11 3:27.40 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 1 Zürich 06.08.2004
12 3:27.52 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Monaco 25.07.1995
13 3:27.64 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 2 Zürich 06.08.2004
13 3:27.64 Silas Kiplagat KEN 20.08.89 1 Monaco 18.07.2014
15 3:27.65 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Sevilla 24.08.1999
16 3:27.72 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 19.07.2013
17 3:27.91 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Monaco 19.07.2002
18 3:28.12 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2rA Zürich 11.08.2000
19 3:28.21+ Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 07.07.1999
20 3:28.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Monaco 09.09.1995
20 3:28.37 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 08.08.1998
22 3:28.38 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Saint-Denis 06.07.2001
23 3:28.40 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 05.09.2003
24 3:28.45 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 2 Monaco 18.07.2014
25 3:28.51 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 3rA Zürich 11.08.2000
26 3:28.57 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.1999
27 3:28.6+ Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Roma 07.07.1999
28 3:28.73 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Sevilla 24.08.1999
29 3:28.75 Taoufik Makhloufi ALG 29.04.88 2 Monaco 17.07.2015
30 3:28.79 Abdelati Iguider MAR 25.03.87 3 Monaco 17.07.2015
31 3:28.80 Elijah Manangoi KEN 05.01.93 1 Monaco 21.07.2017
32 3:28.81 Mohamed Farah GBR 23.03.83 2 Monaco 19.07.2013
32 3:28.81 Ronald Kwemoi KEN 18.09.95 3 Monaco 18.07.2014
34 3:28.84 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 Paris 21.07.1999
35 3:28.86 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 06.09.1992
36 3:28.88 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 20.07.2012
37 3:28.91 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 13.08.1997
38 3:28.92 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 22.08.1997
39 3:28.93 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 1 München 11.09.1999
39 3:28.93 Mohamed Farah GBR 23.03.83 4 Monaco 17.07.2015
41 3:28.95 Fermin Cacho ESP 16.02.69 2rA Zürich 13.08.1997
42 3:28.98 Mehdi Baala FRA 17.08.78 2 Bruxelles 05.09.2003
43 3:29.02 Daniel Kipchirchir Komen KEN 27.11.84 1r2 Roma 14.07.2006
44 3:29.05 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 23.08.1996
45 3:29.06 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 17.08.2001
46 3:29.08 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 02.09.2001
47 3:29.10 Timothy Cheruiyot KEN 20.11.95 2 Monaco 21.07.2017
48 3:29.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 09.07.1998
49 3:29.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Zürich 15.08.2003
50 3:29.14 Rashid Ramzi BRN 17.07.80 2r2 Roma 14.07.2006
51 3:29.18 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 2 Bruxelles 22.08.1997
51 3:29.18 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Heusden-Zolder 31.07.2004
51 3:29.18 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Ad-Dawhah 09.05.2014
thats the top 51, ending with kiprops best NON monaco time.
stop being so blind and see that El G, lagat, morceli all ran FAST times to their PR at different venues, but kiprop has only a few sub 3:30s that arnt in monaco
kiprops best monaco/best non monaco
3:26.29/3:29.18.....difference = 2.89 seconds
Silas Kiplagat best monaco/best non monaco
3:27.64/3:29.63.....difference = 1.99 seconds
Taoufik Makhloufi best monaco/best non monaco
3:28.75/3:30.40.....difference = 1.65 seconds
Abdelati Iguider best monaco/best non monaco
3:28.79/3:31.40....difference = 2.61 seconds
nick willis best monaco/best non monaco
3:29.66/3:32.17....difference = 2.51
andrew wheating best monaco/best non monaco
3:30.90/3:34?? (all i know is the article said he had a HUGE 4 second pr), he then thought for the rest of his career he was a legit 3:30 guy, like how hall thought he was a 2:04 marathon guy, and this is the cause of their mental anguish.
2017 3:37.75 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 18 MAY 2017
2016 3:38.60 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 20 MAY 2016
2015 3:38.75 Sydney (AUS) 14 MAR 2015
2014 3:38.53 Portland, OR (USA) 15 JUN 2014
2013 3:37.03 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 17 MAY 2013
2012 3:35.89 Burnaby (CAN) 10 JUN 2012
2011 3:34.39 Paris (FRA) 08 JUL 2011
2010 3:30.90 Monaco (MON) 22 JUL 2010
2009 3:40.92 Eugene, OR (USA) 24 APR 2009
2008 3:38.60 Eugene, OR (USA) 09 MAY 2008
2007 3:45.17 Eugene, OR (USA) 20 APR 2007
2006 3:54.28 Indianapolis, IN (USA) 24 JUN 2006
you see anywhere here where he was a 3:30 guy?
last
centro best monaco/non best monaco
3:30.40/3:31.96....difference = 1.56, but...
2018 3:37.96 Sydney (AUS) 17 MAR 2018
2017 3:33.41 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 18 MAY 2017
2016 3:34.09 Eugene, OR (USA) 10 JUL 2016
2015 3:30.40 Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015
2014 3:31.09 Monaco (MON) 18 JUL 2014
2013 3:33.58 Monaco (MON) 19 JUL 2013
2012 3:31.96 Lausanne (SUI) 23 AUG 2012
2011 3:34.46 Monaco (MON) 22 JUL 2011
2010 3:40.14 Des Moines, IA (USA) 25 JUN 2010
2009 3:36.92 Palo Alto (USA) 02 MAY 2009
2008 3:44.98 Eugene, OR (USA) 08 JUN 2008
2007 3:49.54 Indianapolis, IN (USA) 23 JUN 2007
he seems to be a 3:33ish guy everywhere else
anyways something is fishing with the 1500m there. 400m isnt off, nor is the 800m, nor is 3000m. my guess is the start and finish line are off ON purpose to make for faster times to make it appear that people are still close to EL G's alien times