What's up with Centrowitz?

What's up with him?

Quick Rundown:

-His "former" group is under investigation for DOPING.

-He relocated to put geographic distance between him and his dope dealer. This I assume he assumes will make him look less suspicious?

-Since relocating, he hasn't performed at the same level.

If you choose you can connect the dots, or ignore them, you are free to do as you please.

What to expect:

Centro will come back with competetive performances but never reach previous level and you will see a lot less consistency.

Investigations didn't stop Lance, they just made him more careful.

Dril wrote:

Dembele Dembele wrote:

Ramzi: off the juice

Makhloufi: off the juice

American: part of the plan

Yup we live in a country with actual out of competition testing and officials that cant be bribed with a 20 dollar dollar bill, yo

Please enlighten us on exactly how you established this?

at 3:55 mile pace in their section Centro first closes in 54.5

Merbs 2nd 55.0

at 4:07 pace Manzano closes at 62

wineturtle wrote:

at 3:55 mile pace in their section Centro first closes in 54.5

Merbs 2nd 55.0

at 4:07 pace Manzano closes at 62

one hour between 800 and 1500 for the OG gold guy

There are some real morans on this site who obviously don't know squat about training, racing, and peaking. Even Edwin Moses, who won 122 consecutive 400 meter hurdles races over a decade, would have lost some races, at some distances, if he had entered them during training stretches where he wasn't looking at TIME, but at TRAINING VALUE (mind and body).

In our sport many athletes have chosen to compete very little, because if they had entered certain races, they knew they would not "produce" as if they were in peak racing shape. To not perform on the big stage in the eyes of the morans who don't know squat about their training means an athlete must endure undue, uninformed criticism.

Maybe Centro will never be at the top of his game again. Maybe Centro will be jaw-dropping great very soon. We're not privy to the nuts and bolts of his master plan. I'm more than willing to assume that he, and Alberto, and Matt Sr know what they're doing.

My question is does he have any training partners with his current situation. That helps immensely at any level.

It's also possible that he has lost the spark and is just riding out his contract.

Basaltedbybezos wrote:

What's up with him?

Quick Rundown:

-His "former" group is under investigation for DOPING.

-He relocated to put geographic distance between him and his dope dealer. This I assume he assumes will make him look less suspicious?

-Since relocating, he hasn't performed at the same level.

If you choose you can connect the dots, or ignore them, you are free to do as you please.

What to expect:

Centro will come back with competetive performances but never reach previous level and you will see a lot less consistency.

Investigations didn't stop Lance, they just made him more careful.

How is it his former group? He is still coached by both alberto and his Dad.

He goes to training camps with engels and Jenkins, and I assume Murphy would be in that group if he wasn't racing overseas.

Since relocating, he has performed much better than he did the year before he relocated. Not sure where you are getting that.

vivalarepublica wrote:

My question is does he have any training partners with his current situation. That helps immensely at any level.

It's also possible that he has lost the spark and is just riding out his contract.

Yeah but they're not at his level. One is Sam Penzenstadler who was a sub 4 guy in college and all american, but not centro level.

He does go to altitude training camps with the other NOP guys, though

Umm...ever hear of Buster Douglas? (OK, it was 8.5 months not 6 months!)

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Yeah but they're not at his level. One is Sam Penzenstadler who was a sub 4 guy in college and all american, but not centro level.

Give Sam some love. Since college he has improved to 3:57.80 outdoors and 3:57.29 indoors. Those date to 2016, but they're post-collegiate. Yeah, they're not Centro times AT HIS BEST, but Sam is probably a very worthy training partner talent-wise for Centro.

This made me smile. Centro is a legend. Wire-to-wire Olympic 1500m champ. If he doesn't do more than that, he is still a legend.

An awakening wrote:

https://instagram.com/p/Bi7Vm3cAlmp/

I just want to know why he runs on a treadmill so much.

One thing I am surprised nobody has mentioned is what happened when he was in Oz. He enters two meets. Runs the first AFTER doing a workout that day and runs terribly. Is still officially entered in the 2nd meet right up until the day before the meet. This meet charges people to attend (a rarity in track here due to low turnouts generally). A heap of people show up to see him run. He pulls out and heads back home, unbeknownst to nearly all the people who turned up and paid money simply to see him! No word on social media before or after as to why, no explanation, no apology on his social media feed! I'm from Oz yet I cheered as loudly as anyone when he won the OG 1500 as I admire his bravery and belief to always put himself in a position to go for the win but he lost me as a fan that night (and probably lost a few others too :( A shame he didn't just turn up and do the rounds for the fans as per the pics above, or at least put out an explanation like tennis players do when they pull out of a tournament knowing people have paid to see him. Thoughts?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Why doesn't he grow his hair out so he won't look like a monkey?

Because Catholics dont believe in evolution

"Health problems plagued Centrowitz during 2017 where he battled both pericarditis and an adductor injury. Although he finished second at the USA Championships last June, he was eliminated in the first round of the IAAF World Championships finishing 14th in his heat. He decided to take some time off last fall and slowly come back in 2018, a decidedly low-pressure year where USA athletes have no global championships to prepare for."

I found this answer to the OP's question on the front page of letsrun.com in the Dave Monti article that the quote of the day is taken from. Of course, I follow track and field so I already knew all of this.

Hope this helps.

[quote]Basaltedbybezos wrote:

What's up with him?

Quick Rundown:

-His "former" group is under investigation for DOPING.

-He relocated to put geographic distance between him and his dope dealer. This I assume he assumes will make him look less suspicious?

-Since relocating, he hasn't performed at the same level.

Yes. However, there is a confounding variable which NOBODY has sniffed, unsurprisingly given this sad board is replete with mental midgets.

Matthew Centrowitz has certainly retained his ties with Sal, but MATT Centrowitz (his vaunted father) has essentially taken over his daily training.

His father's training "philosophy" is old-school, hard/long-run, good-work.... in direct contrast to Sal's training "science," which is (at least ostensibly) formulated and enacted according to various reliable physiological and anatomical findings. Father Matt is simply an incompetent, manic, angry ogre -- just watch his Workout Wednesday. He does little to justify the workout, and actually says he is "not too scientific at this point in the season." Ha!!! Also, I have run for Matt Centrowitz. He produces his training with whimsical intuitions rooted in his days at Oregon. The team-attrition rate is literally >75%. Nobody from my generation ran all four years.

You are welcome for the answer.

If Matthew continues to trust his father's inadequate and mostly baseless workout, run, recovery, nutritional intuitions, probably at the expense of Sal's clearly successful training and proximity, mediocre results will keep ensuing.

phone home wrote:

It is hard to rub the T cream on over the phone!

We take this for granted, but nobody would know for sure if Salazar hadn't conducted years of tests to ensure that it was safe for Galen to answer his phone.

You do know that Centro, Jr. was being coached already by his father and that both Centro, Sr. and Salazar were and are involved in his coaching.