Bill Rodgers
Bill Rodgers
dbsquirtNXC21 wrote:
Meb and Khannouchi are NOT really americans BY RACE. Its like saying Mo is English if you asked him what his ethnicity is.
Ryan Halls 2:04 isnt eligible....
therefore RUPP stands alone as the greatest american marathoner of all time.
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The only Americans by race are native Americans. Rupp is not a Native American. Your post is racist and it’s getting reported.
By this logic, Rupp is British.
ezby wrote:
By this logic, Rupp is British.
Or Irish/French/German. Most British people are in fact Celtic/Nordic or Western European. Don’t they teach you any history in school?
ezby wrote:
By this logic, Rupp is British.
Nationality is a man-made social construct. So, British is actually just a label as is American. It’s not an actual tangible thing. Nationality is ascribed by the state and/or the individual.
So so many stupid people.
"Native Americans" are no more "native" than anyone else born here.
elviejo wrote:
"Native Americans" are no more "native" than anyone else born here.
Yeah. Standard racist post.
Not the greatest. He is a pretty good American marathoner of all time.
dbsquirtNXC21 wrote:
Meb and Khannouchi are NOT really americans BY RACE. Its like saying Mo is English if you asked him what his ethnicity is.
Ryan Halls 2:04 isnt eligible....
therefore RUPP stands alone as the greatest american marathoner of all time.
GOBBLE GOBBLE
Rupp is not really American by race he's European. Take away Farah and we've still got Rupp.
England is not part of Europe, it's an island in the ocean.
Frank Shorterer wrote:
Bill Rodgers
^ this.
See username.
He’s not. Ryan Hall was the quickest. Therefore the greatest.
1. You mean by birth, hopefully. If so, then I agree he's definitely top three with two possible contenders (see 2). If not, you're probably by a racist.
2. Frank Shorter, 2:10 marathoner at a time when world record was around 2:09:30, one olympic gold medal, one silver olympic gold medal (which should be another gold b/c Cierpinski was doped, four straight years best US marathoner, best world marathoner.
Bill Rodgers, 2:09:30 marathoner at a time when world record was between 2:09:30 and 2:09:00, 3x Boston Marathon winner, 3x NYC Marathon Winner. Also won in Amsterdam, Fukuoka, Toronto, Montreal, Philadelphia, Houston, Melbourne, Rio de Janiero.
Rupp doesn't have the straight up Olympic success that Shorter did, although Rupp does have a medal which Rodgers doesn't. On the other hand, Rupp doesn't have quite the international success Rodgers did yet but does have a couple major wins outside Olympics, good showings.
Rupp lacks major fast, WR-competitive the other two had in their days. I think Rupp can get down to 2:04, maybe 2:03 high under right conditions. He has fact he's only been marathoner 2-3 years on his side and is only 30-31.
Scubacane wrote:
Frank Shorterer wrote:
Bill Rodgers
^ this.
∆ this
But he's only done a few good thons.
Dean Karnezes has run tonnes of races beyons marathon distance triumphantly.
Dean Karnezes > Rupp
Bill Rodgers and Frank Shorter are easily the top 2 American marathoners of all-time. Rupp has a lot to do if he wants to be considered as good as them.
rodgers won Boston 4 times- 1975(AR), 1978 (outkicked wells) 1979 (AR)1980.
Eh...not quite yet wrote:
1. You mean by birth, hopefully. If so, then I agree he's definitely top three with two possible contenders (see 2). If not, you're probably by a racist.
2. Frank Shorter, 2:10 marathoner at a time when world record was around 2:09:30, one olympic gold medal, one silver olympic gold medal (which should be another gold b/c Cierpinski was doped, four straight years best US marathoner, best world marathoner.
Bill Rodgers, 2:09:30 marathoner at a time when world record was between 2:09:30 and 2:09:00, 3x Boston Marathon winner, 3x NYC Marathon Winner. Also won in Amsterdam, Fukuoka, Toronto, Montreal, Philadelphia, Houston, Melbourne, Rio de Janiero.
Rupp doesn't have the straight up Olympic success that Shorter did, although Rupp does have a medal which Rodgers doesn't. On the other hand, Rupp doesn't have quite the international success Rodgers did yet but does have a couple major wins outside Olympics, good showings.
Rupp lacks major fast, WR-competitive the other two had in their days. I think Rupp can get down to 2:04, maybe 2:03 high under right conditions. He has fact he's only been marathoner 2-3 years on his side and is only 30-31.
1. Frank Shorter was not born in the U.S.
2. BR ran 2:09:27
3. The WR in 1979 was 2:08:33 by Derek Clayton
4. BR never won a marathon held in Montreal.
Otherwise, I agree with you for the most part
First, my definition of American is someone who spent more than 9 years of their first 18 in the US. It's arbitrary, sure , but it takes into account, largely, what (non-racists) mean when they draw a distinction between performances by Americans and not. It means that during your formative years you were primarily influenced by the culture diet etc and both drew the benefits of that and the suffered the disadvantages. That said the top two American marathoners are easy:
1. Frank Shorter
2. Joan Benoit Samuelson
After that it gets tougher. Here's one possibility:
3. Clarence DeMar
4. Bill Rodgers
5. Alberto Salazar
6. Johnny Hayes
7. Alberto Salazar
8. Deena Kastor
9. Galen Rupp (with a bullet)
10. Buddy Edelen (maybe...)