Sage Canaday Copenhagen Marathon OTQ thread

Let it Rupp wrote:

The reason he's so popular is for his extremely informative and (usually) entertaining Youtube channel - something that is pretty unique within the running community - and has a wealth of knowledge about the sport.

Exactly! Not everybody has a trainer or is in any track club. So for the runners with less knowledge Sage provides a platform for learning.

Baltsu wrote:

Let it Rupp wrote:

The reason he's so popular is for his extremely informative and (usually) entertaining Youtube channel - something that is pretty unique within the running community - and has a wealth of knowledge about the sport.

Exactly! Not everybody has a trainer or is in any track club. So for the runners with less knowledge Sage provides a platform for learning.

Even on Sage's worst day, he's still in the upper percentile worldwide of runners, yes I said worldwide. I don't think we understand the physics and body demands of somebody running a "lousy" 2:20 marathon. The average person cannot and will not ever run a 2:20 (yes, freaks do exist but few and far in between,) let alone sub 2:18 times. Idk if it's the transparency of the internet or social media that has so many people delusional when it comes to running times and the ease of running world class times. How many sub 2:15 guys do you know personally? Unless you were an elite d1 all american and running freaks were in your circle of friends in your 20s, those athletes are true outliers and somehow that's been forgotten. Respect to Sage. Go get your OTQ!

Exactly. It's common on this site for people to trash others who have run very good times for being slow when they're only "slow" in comparison to the absolute fastest. There was a thread about this year's Boston Marathon where someone said Kawauchi's time was "walking." I have to wonder how many people who are so dismissive of 2:20 marathons have never made a serious attempt to run that fast and therefore have no idea how difficult it is to do.

Baltsu wrote:

Let it Rupp wrote:

The reason he's so popular is for his extremely informative and (usually) entertaining Youtube channel - something that is pretty unique within the running community - and has a wealth of knowledge about the sport.

Exactly! Not everybody has a trainer or is in any track club. So for the runners with less knowledge Sage provides a platform for learning.

Sorry sonny.

I've been a runner for 30 years. Sage isn't providing any new or revolutionary information by talking about his girl friend or how his shoes fit.

Damn you millennials are whiney bunch. "aww don't be mean to Sage" "He so cool - ignore the haters" You are sadly too influenced by the sizzle and not the steak.

Go back to your safe spaces.

When did constructive criticism become "hate" (It's not). I fear for this country

Sage is not that good. Yes, I know people who know him well. If you are a dude, and your girlfriend is your coach, you are a BETA male.

Are you daft? Sage is slow compared to the worlds best or even the times that win WMM. Heck most Americans are. Are you trying to argue that he's not.

We should be judged by the BEST in our sport, not people who are national class. (Sage is national class, but that's it) Nothing wrong with pointing that out. Also, nothing wrong with saying the Ultra Scene doesn't attract the world class runners - unless you are trying to suggest that it does.

You guys complain all the time about fitness bloggers or 3:30 marathoners . Galen Rupp is trashed more on here than Sage ever will be and he's the best American we have.

You seem to get caught in this dumb notion that unless you have run a 2:20 marathon you can't criticize someone who is trying to. that's bull. Rupp is criticized. Hasay is criticized, Cain was critcized, Goucher was criticized, but no of you people complained about those criticism.

I guess by your logic no one could criticize the president because no one you have ran for president or been president.

not everyone is a fan of Sage. Not everyone has to be.

If you read what I wrote carefully, you might notice that it really wasn't abut Sage Canady. I don't know him. I don't watch his videos. I did read his book about Hansons. I'm writing about people who go on here who have no respect or appreciation for how hard it is to run a marathon in 2:20 or even 2:30. And I am making that "judgement" in relation to the best in the sport. Make a Bell Curve of all the times run in the world for a marathon in a given year and see what part of the Curve the 2:20 like times are in.

People like you are the like baseball fans who look at a MLB utility infielder and talk about what a crappy player the guy is because he's not as good as Mike Trout or Manny Machado. And he's not or he wouldn't be a utility infielder. But he's light years better than almost anyone who plays or has ever played baseball.

I don't care if you like Canady or hate him. I don't care how liked or disliked he was in his college team. I do respect his marathon times and efforts to achieve something, a Trials qualifier, that many of us over the years worked really hard to do and came up short. And again, if someone really has no grasp of how good a runner really needs to be to run a time like that I can only think that they've never made a serious effort to do it himself.

AFDSFSDAF wrote:

Baltsu wrote:

Exactly! Not everybody has a trainer or is in any track club. So for the runners with less knowledge Sage provides a platform for learning.

Sorry sonny.

I've been a runner for 30 years. Sage isn't providing any new or revolutionary information by talking about his girl friend or how his shoes fit.

Damn you millennials are whiney bunch. "aww don't be mean to Sage" "He so cool - ignore the haters" You are sadly too influenced by the sizzle and not the steak.

Go back to your safe spaces.

When did constructive criticism become "hate" (It's not). I fear for this country

The only thing being older gives you is a closer expiry date grandma. Go back to your knitting and war stories.

Everyone shut the fukk up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Stop. I've had enough of this thread. This place should be ashamed. What do you think Bekele would think of letsrun if he stumbled across this? Do you think the best runner in the world would want to stay here if he saw this crap? Let it go.

I'd like to settle the Sage debate once and for all. I follow Sage, have purchased one of his plans, and generally think that he appears to be a decent guy. So, I am not a "hater" of him. With that said . . .

I believe the problem that people have with him is that he is considered a "professional" runner. When you are considered a professional athlete, the bar is set extremely high. Yet, his times do not appear to be worthy of this status. Take the NBA for comparison sake. If Sage was a basketball player, he would likely not even be at the level of the D-League. Players in the D-League I would compare to those who hit the OTQ for the marathon. In other words, they at least have a foot in the door, even if they are not near the top.

So, maybe the branding of Sage is the problem. In other words, if I started posted and making videos about my attempt to break, say, 3:00 in the marathon, there would likely not be such hate, as people could see it for what it is. But the label of being a professional and the "look at me" millennial attitude, I think is what makes him so divisive. However, that is not necessarily Sage's fault and his marketing and self-promotion allows him to lead (what appears to be) an exciting and adventurous lifestyle. As they say, "don't hate the player, hate the game."

Now, I'm off to go see if there are any recently vlogs I have missed on his youtube channel . . . . .

Given his backward progression of late, his openness and "tips" should be viewed as a fault. I doubt he gets the OTQ though. Race is too soon and not competitive enough. I don't think he has the fitness to pull this out of his behind on his own.

I'll give you $1,000 if you can show any place where I "trash Leo for his recent times." I have never trashed anyone here or anywhere else for their times so you have no room to talk about anyone making assumptions.. So you don't know what you're talking about.

Your words were that we should be judged by the best in the sport. Things like better and best are almost always subjective but if you stand a 2:20 marathon against all marathons run by serious distance runners it's much closer to the fastest ones than to the slowest, and I'm referring to people who train and race seriously. A time like that makes you one of the 50th to 100th fastest marathon runners in the US pretty much every year. An accomplishment like that deserves some respect.

And to this:

But in relation to the rest of the elites 2:20 isn’t a world beater time. You seem to say that everyone should never criticize any runner faster than them because they don’t understand it’s a stupid comment.

No runner who is making a legitimate effort to be as good as s/he can should be criticized for doing so. If you don't like that someone promotes himself that's another matter. And nothing about running in D1 guarantees that you know what trying to run a good marathon takes. You may know, you may not. I know D1 guys who haven't a clue and others who do. It's not just you and it's not just about Canady, it happens here all the time to all sorts of people and it shouldn't.

My question about Sage has more to do with his girlfriend. What are her coaching qualifications? What are her personal running accomplishments with respect to the marathon? In what way is she qualified to coach someone trying to break 2:18 for the marathon?

Sage keeps talking about how good he did at Houston and how that time makes him soooooooooo good. He finished MORE THAN 2 MILES BEHIND THE WINNER! The winner crossed the finish line, and Sage still had 2 miles to go! That's not good. He finished almost a full mile behind the top US runner too.

This thread is disgusting. Go Sage, hope you get your goal and have a great 2018 racing season.

If any of the above posters are actually old CUXC runners, I'm ashamed of you for essentially online bullying. I was one of Sage's teammates, and he was a good teammate and is a fine person.

Old Big Red wrote:

This thread is disgusting. Go Sage, hope you get your goal and have a great 2018 racing season.

If any of the above posters are actually old CUXC runners, I'm ashamed of you for essentially online bullying. I was one of Sage's teammates, and he was a good teammate and is a fine person.

I’m not one of Sage’s old teammates, but I bet all his real old teammates wish they were with him in Copenhagen right now just so that they could put him in a friendly headlock, muss his hair and tell him to go after it. They would laugh and it would be really friendly and fun.

coach sandy wrote:

My question about Sage has more to do with his girlfriend. What are her coaching qualifications? What are her personal running accomplishments with respect to the marathon? In what way is she qualified to coach someone trying to break 2:18 for the marathon?

Basically, it has nothing to do with you. You degenerate peasant.

coach sandy wrote:

My question about Sage has more to do with his girlfriend. What are her coaching qualifications? What are her personal running accomplishments with respect to the marathon? In what way is she qualified to coach someone trying to break 2:18 for the marathon?

Sandi coaching Sage is like Jesus coaching Ryan Hall. It's just something you make up that you think sounds better than self coached.

Her qualifications are riding a bike behind him, filming him, and handing him drinks. That's it. He's probably trying to boost up her coaching business if it exists at all.

That said, I think she is super cute and that is all the qualification necessary. As long as he is tapping that @ss then she can be his "coach". And anyone who can run a 2:20 marathon and have a hot girlfriend is already better than 99.9% of posters on this site.

Yes, the idea that anyone who genuinely works hard to be as good a runner as they can deserves respect for that is my opinion. I do not believe that saying 2:20 or better is a fast time for the marathon is just my opinion because you can demonstrate numerically that it's much, much, closer to the fastest times than to the slowest. There are loads more guys between 2:20 and 2:45 than there are between 2:20 and 2:03. I don't know what Rupp has to do with anything here, I'd ask why you're dragging him into this but I really don't care. I also don't care what excites you or doesn't but I don't like the lack of respect you show for what are very good performances and I don't know what the point of your last sentence is.