London: this guy won the 50-54 age group

Ronnie Coleman was a police officer when he won Mr. Olympia.

I realize that police in US is different from firefighter in UK, but to say someone cannot be on gear as a firefighter is silly.

LOL! Sure, the guy is probably a freak athlete. Doesn't mean he isn't ALSO taking PED's. Lance Armstrong was a freak athlete. So was Barry Bonds. So was Arnold Schwarzenegger[ever seen pics of him when he was real young?] . They all ALSO used PED's. Same with tons of other freak athletes (Marion Jones, etc, etc, etc) Freak athlete/great genes AND supplementing with PED's are not mutually exclusive concepts. Not by a long shot. In fact they often go together

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you cannot state that Lance Armstrong was a "freak athlete"--every single result he laid down, going back to age 16, is called into question . You can point to his training volume as support to his genetics but that took place AS A RESULT OF peds.

but this thread is not about Lance. Sorry

I never realized that Mike from “Breaking Bad” and “Better Call Saul” was a serious runner. Does 2:36 make him the fastest well known actor of all time?

I have a 76-year-old brother that has more muscle mass. Still bench presses over 300, 25 pull-ups, etc. Never any drugs, prescription or otherwise. Been a workout freak all of his life, eats well, etc. Overall cholesterol of 115......no statins. Wish I had followed his lead.......just had two stints placed in my arteries leading to my heart!

This story gives great insight into the family mindset - old school, train hard, basic down to earth people. Also look at the picture at the end, Graham doesn't even look very big.

http://eightlane.org/andy-green-31-33-10k-at-age-52/

Hi Mr Naive! wrote:

LOL! Sure, the guy is probably a freak athlete. Doesn't mean he isn't ALSO taking PED's. Lance Armstrong was a freak athlete. So was Barry Bonds. So was Arnold Schwarzenegger[ever seen pics of him when he was real young?] . They all ALSO used PED's. Same with tons of other freak athletes (Marion Jones, etc, etc, etc) Freak athlete/great genes AND supplementing with PED's are not mutually exclusive concepts. Not by a long shot. In fact they often go together.

Armstrong was never a "freak athlete." He was a super-responder to PEDs, particularly oxygen-vector doping, and had one of the best doping doctors in his corner in Ferrari (he paid him a million smackers to oversee his doping program).

Armstrong was a domestique caliber/stage hunter/classics-type rider who went from Grand Tour Chump to Champ compliments of Ferrari. ☝️ Look at the facts:

Pre-Ferrari:

93 Tour - DNF

94 Tour - DNF

95 Tour - 36th

96 Tour - DNF

Post-Ferrari:

98 Vuelta - 4th

99 Tour - 1st

00 Tour - 1st

01 Tour - 1st

02 Tour - 1st

03 Tour - 1st

04 Tour - 1st

05 Tour - 1st

From "Chump" to " Champ." ?

Look. I’m an American and I realise that some people just work hard. Sorry for the embarrassing comments my cuntrymen have made. We are just jealous. Especially as this is a distance running website and we are so poor at distance running.

Gaylord Johnson U S A wrote:

Look. I’m an American and I realise that some people just work hard. Sorry for the embarrassing comments my cuntrymen have made. We are just jealous. Especially as this is a distance running website and we are so poor at distance running.

We are good at the international pastime of baseball tho bro.

Ovaries wrote:

Testes wrote:

UKAD testing = LOL

On the contrary I've heard UKAD = tough testing! Look at how often Mo, Muir, Langsford, etc. are tested. I've heard UKAD is really good at target testing & ambush testing - athletes there can't pull a fast one on Brit testing protocol like they can over here in the States.

You obviously are unaware that a large number of British athletes flout the whereabouts conditions over and over again, and have never been sanctioned.

Gaylord Hanson U S of A wrote:

Gaylord Johnson U S A wrote:

Look. I’m an American and I realise that some people just work hard. Sorry for the embarrassing comments my cuntrymen have made. We are just jealous. Especially as this is a distance running website and we are so poor at distance running.

We are good at the international pastime of baseball tho bro.

Here in Thailand, we don’t test our firedefenders but we do have a turn of phrase for the state of US distant running: pathetic.

Testes wrote:

Ovaries wrote:

On the contrary I've heard UKAD = tough testing! Look at how often Mo, Muir, Langsford, etc. are tested. I've heard UKAD is really good at target testing & ambush testing - athletes there can't pull a fast one on Brit testing protocol like they can over here in the States.

You obviously are unaware that a large number of British athletes flout the whereabouts conditions over and over again, and have never been sanctioned.

are you actually a girl? Do you want some tissue for your tears? You puff.

Testosterone, HGH, steroids, you name it he is in it. Obvious JUICER like Stallone and Hogan. Give me a break.

Why so sloooooowwww bro?

All of these posters who claim they look like him or know someone who does AND also run as fast him - your feedback is worthless without any evidence.

Tell It Like It Is wrote:

Pre-Ferrari:

93 Tour - DNF

94 Tour - DNF

95 Tour - 36th

96 Tour - DNF

Also:

'93 World Champion

'93 Tour stage win

'95 Tour stage win

a bunch of one-day events and stage races

several tours but not "The Tour"

He wasn't what he was after the cancer and the drugs, but everyone identified him as a great talent well before '98. Which is why his cancer was a big news story. He wasn't just a guy in the pack. He was kinda where Sagan is now.

Quite a many runners in the UK know people who use PEDs and know where to get them. 13% have consumed anabolic steroids :)

https://www.bbc.com/sport/39329184

Pizzaman wrote:

All of these posters who claim they look like him or know someone who does AND also run as fast him - your feedback is worthless without any evidence.

I know a 52 year old who runs c.2:32 for the marathon. he looks nothing like this guy.

Pizzaman wrote:

All of these posters who claim they look like him or know someone who does AND also run as fast him - your feedback is worthless without any evidence.

No more so than accusing someone of doping with no more evidence than a photo.

Ron's hill wrote:

Pizzaman wrote:

All of these posters who claim they look like him or know someone who does AND also run as fast him - your feedback is worthless without any evidence.

No more so than accusing someone of doping with no more evidence than a photo.

Evidence = physical traits + age + performances + history of doping in sport + idiot apologists abound