Rupp ran close to a legit marathon pace for 19 miles in terrible conditions. That is quite different from just doing an easy 19 miler. I would expect he's a bit fatigued. Doing 19 miles with heavy shoes into a headwind can setback many runners for a few days.
London be too fast wrote:
London Bound wrote:
Rupp supposedly had a great build up and ran 19 miles in Boston before dropped out. I am pretty sure if he asked the meet directors in London if he could race he would get in . So why doesn't he do it ? It would be a great race to get the American record in.
At his very very best, Rupp would be barely able to Crack top 10 and probably not even top 15 in London.
London is for the elite of the elite to win.
Rupp is only elite among mediocrity.
Rupp could finish on the podium most years. You realize 15th place is like 2:15.
It depends on the real reason why he dropped out. If it was because his asthma was bothering him, then maybe. If he dropped out because he hit the wall, then there's no way he should run it.
doesn't his contract with the Boston Marathon not allow him to run another race so close to Boston?
I'm sure London's budget for elite travel/expenses is already full. Even if accepted, Rupp would have to pay his own way and then probably finished 10th (or worse). This is the problem of being a full-time marathoner. Months of buildup can be wasted with a bad race resulting in a DNF. It's not liking being a track runner where you can again in a week or two. Rupp could race on the track this summer but it's a long, long time till fall marathon season. You only have a couple of chances a year. If you waste one, it's a major setback. This is going to eat at Rupp for a long time.
HMMMM wrote:
doesn't his contract with the Boston Marathon not allow him to run another race so close to Boston?
True, he would probably forfeit what's left of his (large) appearance fee and I don't think London would offer him anything this late. There's no reason to do London anyway, there's barely enough time to get used to the time zone at this point. If he wants to do another marathon he should just find a fast one in a few weeks.
He is at home DEVASTATED, can't turn around that quick
His Boston contract forbidding his participation in London would make sense, although he could request or negotiate a release. And if Nike were on board, Nike would pay for his release from Boston and his travel to London. It seems Nike would have a lot to gain from Rupp participating in London.
If he doesn't participate, I think it's because he spent his build-up preparing to run a strength-based course like Boston, rather than developing the speed to race London, and so he (or his team) is not convinced he can do as well as he could with more specific preparation.
He may also be unwilling to appear without a fee. If he shows up without a fee and runs poorly, he loses leverage in negotiating future appearance fees with London. If he shows up and runs 2:10 and is 5 minutes back, it's harder for him to argue that with a more specific prep, he'd be a 2:05 guy.
Why ruin such a great field putting Rupp in?
He should concentrate on being a pacer
JGFFFjjh wrote:
Why ruin such a great field putting Rupp in?
He should concentrate on being a pacer
The ones that go out after 20k. He can’t pull to 30k on WR pace
Pumpkin Eater wrote:
he spent his build-up preparing to run a strength-based course like Boston, rather than developing the speed to race London, and so he (or his team) is not convinced he can do as well as he could with more specific preparation.
That is pretty silly.
Boston on a still day probably less than 2 minutes slower than London in the same weather. The events are within 1-2% of the duration. That is like saying someone who trained for a cinder track 100m can't possibly race 100m on a rubberized surface. Idiotic.
Preparing for hills and surges doesn't make you worse on flats and laying down even pace.
Why is everyone on here so quick to count Rupp out of contention in a "world class" field? I may be missing something, but I'm not sure. His half marathon pb is within 40 seconds of the whole elite field in london. Faster than many of them. He is also faster over 10k than nearly everyone in that race. He has been running more miles then ever, and has had his best buildup ever also. I honestly believe, had he not ran in Boston at all, he could have won the London marathon. At least been a strong contender? Even if he were to run it now, after Boston I believe he could be top 10, maybe top 5, if he had a good day.
Why would London want to add a quitter to its field?
Hmm, didn't Rupp win a half marathon in Rome recently, posting second-fastest US half ever? If Hall could eventually run 2:04, does not it mean Rupp is capable of a similar time on a fast course? What 59:47 calculates to in the marathon? Runners World calculator says 2:04:39. Well, that certainly can be a winning time in London, or at the very least podium
I can't feel my pace wrote:
Hmm, didn't Rupp win a half marathon in Rome recently, posting second-fastest US half ever? If Hall could eventually run 2:04, does not it mean Rupp is capable of a similar time on a fast course? What 59:47 calculates to in the marathon? Runners World calculator says 2:04:39. Well, that certainly can be a winning time in London, or at the very least podium
Hall had aid beyond just a "fast course". Boston to begin with isn't a fast course. However, Hall had the help of a massive tailwind, which doesn't happen all that often.
Bravo to your analogy... I agree..
aacke wrote:
Why is everyone on here so quick to count Rupp out of contention in a "world class" field? I may be missing something, but I'm not sure. His half marathon pb is within 40 seconds of the whole elite field in london. Faster than many of them. He is also faster over 10k than nearly everyone in that race. He has been running more miles then ever, and has had his best buildup ever also. I honestly believe, had he not ran in Boston at all, he could have won the London marathon. At least been a strong contender? Even if he were to run it now, after Boston I believe he could be top 10, maybe top 5, if he had a good day.
You are delusional. One week after 19miles @MP (effort) in Boston he is just not in top shape. And even in top shape, I'd predict maybe a top5 finish, but a win would be very unlikely given the field that includes Kipchoge.
I can't feel my pace wrote:
Hmm, didn't Rupp win a half marathon in Rome recently, posting second-fastest US half ever? If Hall could eventually run 2:04, does not it mean Rupp is capable of a similar time on a fast course? What 59:47 calculates to in the marathon? Runners World calculator says 2:04:39. Well, that certainly can be a winning time in London, or at the very least podium
Exactly my point! These people who constantly discredit him have no f'in clue what they are talking about.
Les wrote:
I'm sure London's budget for elite travel/expenses is already full. Even if accepted, Rupp would have to pay his own way and then probably finished 10th (or worse). This is the problem of being a full-time marathoner. Months of buildup can be wasted with a bad race resulting in a DNF. It's not liking being a track runner where you can again in a week or two. Rupp could race on the track this summer but it's a long, long time till fall marathon season. You only have a couple of chances a year. If you waste one, it's a major setback. This is going to eat at Rupp for a long time.
Nike covers rupp. Money is of no concern.
Kawauchi runs multiple marathons a year at world class times so Rupp can do 3 in a year, err, 2.7 after Boston.
Black On Blonde wrote:
Yuki should do London IN HIS PANDA SUIT and run it in 2:08:59 to further humiliate the Fraud known as Rupp.
Congrats. That made no sense at all.