OREGON IS MILER PARADISE

Financial aid officer wrote:

Reality

When a school/admissions is willing to play ball, financial aid can be easily manipulated. All of those sub4 guys on Oregon have at least 85% of their schooling paid for with manipulated athletic, academic, and need-based monies. 12.6 schollys is just the tip of iceberg.

Same happens at several other schools!

You know nothing. You are so wrong. I guarentee you weren't a runner at UO or the parent of one or someone involved with the program. You claim 85% of their schooling is paid for? So laughable,. You have a future in the Trump org. You sound just like him.

depth or points wrote:

Someone made a similar post last year, and the result was that the amount of points earned in the mile and 1500m by non-Cheserek male ducks was 0.

So you take a teeny weeny small sample size ( one meet, which meet?) and extrapolate a conclusion based on an infinitely small sample size. How informative. Recent NCAA All-Americans at mile/1500: , Winn, Prakel, Haney, and maybe even Maton just lately. Recent past...Centro, Acosta, Wheating, and on and on and on.

ha!! wrote:

depth or points wrote:

Someone made a similar post last year, and the result was that the amount of points earned in the mile and 1500m by non-Cheserek male ducks was 0.

So you take a teeny weeny small sample size ( one meet, which meet?) and extrapolate a conclusion based on an infinitely small sample size. How informative. Recent NCAA All-Americans at mile/1500: , Winn, Prakel, Haney, and maybe even Maton just lately. Recent past...Centro, Acosta, Wheating, and on and on and on.

Two meets: the NCAA champs last year, indoors and outdoors. I thought that would be self explanatory as those two events aren’t run at the same collegiate meet. With all that depth, someone besides Ches should get SOME points in the mile and 1500m. I suspect this year will be better (because it couldn’t be worse).

You may want to look up the definition of “infinite “. It was a finite sample size.

depth or points wrote:

ha!! wrote:

So you take a teeny weeny small sample size ( one meet, which meet?) and extrapolate a conclusion based on an infinitely small sample size. How informative. Recent NCAA All-Americans at mile/1500: , Winn, Prakel, Haney, and maybe even Maton just lately. Recent past...Centro, Acosta, Wheating, and on and on and on.

Two meets: the NCAA champs last year, indoors and outdoors. I thought that would be self explanatory as those two events aren’t run at the same collegiate meet. With all that depth, someone besides Ches should get SOME points in the mile and 1500m. I suspect this year will be better (because it couldn’t be worse).

You may want to look up the definition of “infinite “. It was a finite sample size.

Infinite..." impossible to measure". As in infinitely small sample size. Too small to measure.

Yes. Two meets, one year. Lame example. What about all other years Chez was there? Huh? And was Chez, or was Chez not, a Duck miler? Does he not count for purposes of this discussion? He is just another example of Duck miler greatness. He ran 3:36 for 1500. That's a 3:53 mile conversion. WAY down from his HS PR. Oregon IS miler paradise and he is just another example. A multiple NCAA mile champ.

You can't just say "other than Chez"......

But the sample size is very possible to measure - the sample was the last two NCAA championships. That makes it finite.

Ches counts as a Duck, yes, obviously. He’s the only one that scored in the 1500m/mile at NCAAs last year, despite everyone touting their amazing miler system.

And they all quiver when they hear the name Jordy Williams.

The Ghost of Penn Relays Past wrote:

And they all quiver when they hear the name Jordy Williams.

I'll bet! ...Well, maybe not...nah...no bet.

no. uh-uh wrote:

Financial aid officer wrote:

Reality

When a school/admissions is willing to play ball, financial aid can be easily manipulated. All of those sub4 guys on Oregon have at least 85% of their schooling paid for with manipulated athletic, academic, and need-based monies. 12.6 schollys is just the tip of iceberg.

Same happens at several other schools!

You know nothing. You are so wrong. I guarentee you weren't a runner at UO or the parent of one or someone involved with the program. You claim 85% of their schooling is paid for? So laughable,. You have a future in the Trump org. You sound just like him.

Look out! An anti-Trump, poorly spelling lib has been triggered! Wait until you become an adult and start paying taxes...or at least pay your own cell phone/car insurance.

I'm gonna butt in here. So is your argument that Oregon has no miling depth because they only had the indoor mile runner-up last year? That's tough grading. If you are talking "depth" via NCAA scorers in the mile year-after-year then there are really no schools with that kind of depth. No one places multiple milers in the National meet every year. But if that's what you're talking about, who has the best record for scoring milers in the nats on a regular basis, Oregon's your school for that. At least over the last decade or so.

If you're talking about sub 4 depth...and I thought this thread was about just that....Oregon wins in a landslide.

"Stanovsek has come from being on the UO Club Track team as a frosh (not fast enough out of HS to even walk on) to DMR All-American last year (and 4:02) to 3:57 in his first mile race this year. He's now #7 All-Time indoors for the Ducks."

They were just using the club to save a roster spot for him. 1:51 and 3:46 as a frosh.

2015-16: Spent the 2015-16 season at Oregon but was not a member of the track and field/cross country teams … Competing unattached, set a personal-best in the 800 meters of 1:51.22 at the 2016 Portland Track Festival … also saw a PR in the 1,500 of 3:46.54 at the 2016 West Coast Invitational.

Prep: As a senior at Notre Dame Cathedral Latin High School, placed fourth in the 800 meters and third in the 1,600 meters at the Ohio D2 state championships … Placed eighth the in 800 meters at 2014 Ohio state championships as a junior … Had prep bests of 1:55.47 in the 800 and 4:10.48 in the 1,600.Prep Bests: 1:55.47 (800m), 4:10.48 (1600m).

Stanovsek wasn't good enough to land a mid-distance spot on the team til he ran 1:50 and 3:46 for the club team his frosh year. Correct.

Dang, the kid from my alma mater high school ran faster than Stanovsek, running 1:51/4:09 and he's already washed up at another big DI program. Kudos to Oregon.

Hey LRC,

Here's an inside secret from the UO, and maybe it applies to all other major DI schools... all of those kids don't have to spend $1 to attend Oregon. The system is so great at finding all available financial aid. I've never heard of a Duck at UO that has scored points in a conference or national meet have to pay A DIME in regards to tuition and housing.

BTW, I ran 9:37 in high school, ran at XXX DI 100% full scholarship because I ended up being the #1 runner, scoring at conference/regionals.

All aid is reported to the NCAA. If any athlete earns below a 3.0, their aid is all counted against the 12.6 max athletic scholarships.

That is some ridiculous depth of talent at one event year after year.

And not just for one school, but all the NCAA is so deep at the mile.

I remember when 4:03 would qualify for nationals.

kjjlkj wrote:

Hey LRC,

Here's an inside secret from the UO, and maybe it applies to all other major DI schools... all of those kids don't have to spend $1 to attend Oregon. The system is so great at finding all available financial aid. I've never heard of a Duck at UO that has scored points in a conference or national meet have to pay A DIME in regards to tuition and housing.

BTW, I ran 9:37 in high school, ran at XXX DI 100% full scholarship because I ended up being the #1 runner, scoring at conference/regionals.

The inside secret is that you are totally oblivious regarding financial aid....lalalalalalalala

kjjlkj wrote:

Here's an inside secret from the UO, and maybe it applies to all other major DI schools... all of those kids don't have to spend $1 to attend Oregon. The system is so great at finding all available financial aid. I've never heard of a Duck at UO that has scored points in a conference or national meet have to pay A DIME in regards to tuition and housing.

Please explain. I know of schools in which every penny of financial or academic aid is counted against athletic totals. Otherwise football programs would 500 on academic/financial aid.

What makes you think this is legal and taking place at UO?

Oregon’s biggest problem will be deciding who gets to run the mile at the conference meet.

It used to be that 4 minutes was the A standard for qualifying for nationals. It may be 3:58 now.

Incorrect.

In NCAA Division I, only Football and Basketball are considered "counter" sports where Financial Aid is counted against the institution as scholarship.

At my institution (I work in Compliance), there is not a single national qualifier that pays for school. We have the resources to cover all their costs (Men's and Women's) and it does not hurt that our director has been here over two decades. He knows how to manage all costs for blue-chip runners. The last thing you want is a DI athlete with conference scoring ability to work a job or be concerned about finances at 20 years of age.

-Compliance Officer ("Big 5")