concerned office worker wrote:
Or maybe she just doesn't like me. Life is too short - finding a new job.
You hit the nail on the head. The letter is documenting a path to removal. Expect more for no reason. Look for a new job.
concerned office worker wrote:
Or maybe she just doesn't like me. Life is too short - finding a new job.
You hit the nail on the head. The letter is documenting a path to removal. Expect more for no reason. Look for a new job.
otter wrote:
concerned office worker wrote:
Or maybe she just doesn't like me. Life is too short - finding a new job.
You hit the nail on the head. The letter is documenting a path to removal. Expect more for no reason. Look for a new job.
This is what I'm concerned about. But then I also think that even last week I was in one on one discussions about next steps and new projects. Very strange.
I was watching a Jordan Peterson video last night and he said agreeableness in the work place isn't valued the way you'd think it would be and doesn't lead to promotion. Should I refuse to sign the written warning as a show of disagreement?
Buckle down, do a better job, find a new opportunity, and quit on your team. And learn from your rookie mistakes.
Punctuality and not being the drunk Lothario at the office are useful.
*on your terms
What I wonder about people who are always late:
1. When your airline flight leaves at 8:30 am, when do you arrive?
2. When the race starts at 8:30 am when do you arrive?
Old Ultra Guy wrote:
What I wonder about people who are always late:
1. When your airline flight leaves at 8:30 am, when do you arrive?
2. When the race starts at 8:30 am when do you arrive?
Good point. It ultimately comes down to a lack of respect. You know the flight will leave without you. But if you're late to work someone might notice, or they might not. And even if they do there may not be consequences. So it's really just a lack of respect for the job/company.
As Adam Carolla says: If you are early, you are on time. If you are on time, you are late!
I had something similar...
Joined a big bank post qualification (accountant) - great salary bump and excited about it.
They had horrendous retention problems with staff. Within 3 months I was one of the "longer serving" members of staff.
They insisted on an 8:45 start time. I was in before 9. I was covering not just my job but also that of the grad on study leave and also my boss / her bosses job when they were on leave. Usually not leaving until 10pm. My boss left about 6:30 most days and her boss at about 6.
They started deliberately sending me emails asking for non-urgent stuff to be done urgently for, say, 9:30 and sending it at 8:43...
We had a conversation about it "the quality of your work is great, but we need you here at 8:45, "Why?", "Because that's when we start."".
I said "fine", walked out, called a recruiter, was gone within the month to a more flexible job and for the duration of that month I only worked my set hours and if asked to stay, pointed out the section in my contract that entitled me to paid overtime for any additional work (that no-one ever claimed).
That job has since promoted me twice in three years to a relatively senior position including going back into that bank on secondment at a more senior position than my old boss and her boss (they haven't progressed but got moved around the company to different areas).
Bottom line:- Cultural fit is everything. If you're good - don't hang about where you're not appreciated. Find somewhere where you are.
What is the situation with the company? If they are going through a downturn they may be looking for people to lay off or fire. You being one of the last hires puts a target on your back. Coming in late to work each day is just handing them the gun.
WTF: you are written up for being tardy, which you admit, and then you are shocked?!?!?!
Your excuses: you're irreplaceable (you're not), you run and your boss must think you are gay, your office cred is bad because...I don't even know WTF you were talking about there...you talked to someone and did not F her so now...they want to fire you?!!.
What an entitled millennial. I'd fire you for being such an idiot.
Show up on time, but, yes, get another job, then another, then another, then another. Until no one will hire you. Then no one will have to put up with you.
I gotta friend who got the best job of his life (pay, good company, potential, etc) and he got fired 4 weeks later because he was always late. Honestly he never told me why he got fired, only that his boss micromanages him. But I worked with the guy at a previous job and he was always hours late and he’d leave hours early.
The firm I currently work at doesn’t care. We don’t have a start time but showing up after 8am means you get a lot of looks. One guy doesn’t care and shows up after 9am everyday.
Can't believe no one has mentioned this yet...
So you're a dude and your boss is a religious female, right? Well, those of us who are honest with ourselves know that "religious" is just code for "closet pervert." Therefore, all you need to do is make up a plausible story of harassment and go reverse #MeToo on your boss.
Fair being fair (I mean, women want equal treatment, no?), your boss will be fired based on the accusation alone. You'll get a huge settlement and be free to look for something else or stay at the company with a start time of your choosing.
E/O/T
Some companies have flexible hours. Some don't. Part of being a professional is following the rules of your company. If there is a dress code, show up dressed accordingly. If there is an 8:30 hard start time. Be there on time everyday. CEO's like employees who get their work done and are reliable. Some CEO's see an employee who shows up on time as an indication that they are reliable. I personally do not care when my employees arrive at work. I work closely with them though so it is easy for me to see what they are getting done. As an example, we fired an employee a few years ago. She would arrive an hour early and leave when everybody else did.
She got NOTHING done.
Nothing.
We replaced her with someone who can get twice as much done in the exact same amount of time. She gets in within plus or minus within 30 to 45 minutes to 9:00 am. I could care less because I have set the expectation of when she gets in isn't important. However, if I did say it was important, I would expect her to show up on time because I sign the checks. If you don't like your bosses or company's rules suck it up or get a new job. There is no perfect job where you will agree with every decision and every rule. Especially in larger corporations. Unless you start your own company be prepared to follow asinine rules.
CEO wrote:
I could care less
now you've really done it
Yes, brilliant tactic. Freely acknowledge you're late more often than not (or seemingly on a daily basis) then refuse to sign a statement attesting to this fact. Your employer will be overflowing with confidence in you and your prospect for contributing to the team.
concerned office worker wrote:
Should I refuse to sign the written warning as a show of disagreement?
Concerned office worker - what concerns me about your post (assuming it is not a troll attempt) is that you are largely unaware of what your manager cares about. If what she is concerned about is coming to work on time, well, that is pretty easy to do, especially with an 8:30 start (I am a professional with largely my own hours, but that is a late start for me). The best way to do a job is to control what you can reasonably control - which in this case is coming in on time - and not get caught up in what you cannot control. And you can't control for the flaws of your boss, either - work to meet them, and stay clear of drama.
1) Show up on time
2) How well-endowed? (pics?)
concerned office worker wrote:
ekw wrote:
As an employer myself, I find arrivals to be a sticking point with me. I pay you to start working at 9am... if you are walking through the door at 9, that is no good. You will need to drop your lunch off in the fridge, take your coat off, boot up your computer, have to go to the bathroom, catch up with you co-worker etc... Meanwhile you haven't actually started to work and it's already 9:30...
I don't run a sweat shop or anything, and I'm all for some downtime during the day and stuff but if its first thing in the morning, what usually happens is people will realize that x employee wont start actually working until 9:30 so y employee will just simply start showing up later and later, and then z employee will do the same, and the the original x employee will be annoyed that y and z employee are showing up later than her and start showing up later as well, but AGAIN not start working for a half hour, so y and z AGAIN show up later and later. You see the cycle? I have seen it before so I think that showing up and actually WORKING at the time you are supposed to work is very important.
Do you show up for your doctor's appointment right at your appointment time? No, you show up 10-15 minutes before to check-in, deal with insurance paperwork or something, take off your coat, etc.
So if you are showing up at 9 for a 9am start, that alone is going to rub your manager the wrong way i bet, let alone showing up actually physically late. Just remember, it only takes ONE employee showing up late to make other co-workers annoyed and angry and resentful that will either cause a toxic rift in the workplace OR cause other co-workers to show up later as well creating that cycle I mentioned before.
I agree with a lot of what you wrote here. Two comments:
1. When I do get in on time, the office is practically empty (perhaps, I'm your "employee z" who doesn't think it's important because others aren't there on time.)
2. I have a 0-60 start-up when I get in. Computer gets restarted every night (versus full shut down) so it is running within a few second - and within 5 minutes I'm back where I left the day before. Bathroom is right around the corner and I bring my first cup of coffee. Also, my lunch breaks are quick ~30 minutes; no smoke-breaks/mid-day errands (like many others) , and I don't have many conversations during the day.
Again, my question is, from what I've shared, is this a hard-ass boss trying to be bossy or is this a subtle indicator that I should be looking elsewhere? The HR letter itself says that further incidents of this kind could result in termination.
The level of work [I think] I'm doing should be the defining issue; I don't want to have a mid-year review that revolves around showing up 15 minutes late when I've solved a handful of the company's trouble spots.
Nope. You are supposed to be there. Get to work. No different than every job in creation. You're in a probationary period, and likely you have already given them enough reason to find someone else.
I should state that I could care less because nobody is abusing it. If people start rolling in 2-3 hours late than I would have to crack down and set a hard start time for when you have to be in by. I would say 10 am for our company. Later than that and you could start missing meetings. My brother works for GE and they have flexible start times for the engineers, no later than 10 am I believe though. Sometimes they are required to get in earlier if there is a morning meeting.
First, if punctuality is highly valued by your employer, it's best to show up early. That's just being smart.
Second, if you're getting written up for being late, but you're getting your job done well - there's something else at play. The fact that they're documenting something like this means you're on a very short leash. You probably pissed someone off and don't realize you did.
Third, people usually leave jobs because of their poor relationship with their manager - so, if I were you, I'd look for something that was a better fit.
I don't know you, or your work ethic - but just looking at your post, it feels like you seem entitled to start later than asked, because you feel special that you actually get your job done. Whoopee.
That kind of attitude won't make you successful in the long run.