Here is the difference btwn the Vaporfly ($250) and Zoom Fly ($150), from Nike (official)

22twos wrote:

No, the foam is completely different between the two shoes. (I’ve had both.) I’m not saying this to be an annoying prig...the difference in foam is enormous...there’s really no comparing the shoes. They’re not the same shoe or even all that similar. The Reebok RunFast is closer to the VF4% than the ZoomFly is.

That's the highest praise I've ever seen a Reebok garner. Might have to check them out! Did you like them?

You didn't ask me, but I did write a review for LRC on them. They are fantastic shoes, and prolly the second "best" shoe on the market. For $110 less than the VF, certainly worth a try from RW.

RMP wrote:

theJeff wrote:

The carbon plate in the new Flyknit is the same(?) as the Vaporfly, but the React foam in the new Flyknit is not the same as the ZoomX. The VF w ZoomX is 2oz lighter with more energy return. How much more? About $90 worth :-)

What size does your hubby wear?

He’s a size 13. And men with big feet have.... big hearts! ?

I found you a pair of VF FK in a 13. Email wejo or rojo and get them to send me your email address; they know how to get ahold of me.

Hey Jeff a size 14 in the streak

https://www.runningwarehouse.com/Nike_Zoom_Streak_LT_4/descpage-NSL4M6.html

Subway Surfers wrote:

size 14

wtf

Jason.K wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

size 14

wtf

Jeff is a size 14, I'm guessing he's a hit with the ladies too.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Jason.K wrote:

wtf

Jeff is a size 14, I'm guessing he's a hit with the ladies too.

Mainly just one in particular.

TBH, I am a size 16, but a 15 feels so good that I just wear a 14.

theJeff wrote:

RMP wrote:

He’s a size 13. And men with big feet have.... big hearts! ?

I am a size 14. I can relate :-)

I advise you to call around to local stores in big cities. There are certainly size 13 VFs out there. And, I agree with the above poster: The Reebok Floatride Fast is closer to the VF than the ZoomFly is.

Good luck :-)

Curious as to why its more similar to the VFF than the ZFF? If the Reeboks have Pebax in them but no rocker plate, wouldn't they be closer to the Peg turbos, though lighter?

psyentist wrote:

theJeff wrote:

I am a size 14. I can relate :-)

I advise you to call around to local stores in big cities. There are certainly size 13 VFs out there. And, I agree with the above poster: The Reebok Floatride Fast is closer to the VF than the ZoomFly is.

Good luck :-)

Curious as to why its more similar to the VFF than the ZFF? If the Reeboks have Pebax in them but no rocker plate, wouldn't they be closer to the Peg turbos, though lighter?

The Turbos weren't in the conversation, but not having tried the Turbos, I would assume you are right. The point was that the Zoom Flys feel COMPLETELY different from the VFs: firmer, more rigid, heavier... the Floatride Fast, on the other hand, is nearly the same weight as the VFs and has a similar springy feel - although still not in the same class as the VF.

Nike Employee here

Zoom fly - Carbon infused nylon plate

Zoom fly Flyknit - Carbon plate

VF 4% - Carbon plate

VF 4% Flyknit - Carbon Plate

VF 4% has had the same plate the whole time.

/thread

What's the practical difference between the carbon infused nylon plate and the full carbon plate?

Galen Ruppp wrote:

What's the practical difference between the carbon infused nylon plate and the full carbon plate?

Weight

Stiffness

Spring

Galen Ruppp wrote:

What's the practical difference between the carbon infused nylon plate and the full carbon plate?

I tried both. The original nylon ZF sucked. I will not try new ZF because of this. Also, the foam is a major reason for the huge advantage.

Took Physical Science in High School wrote:

Galen Ruppp wrote:

What's the practical difference between the carbon infused nylon plate and the full carbon plate?

Weight

Stiffness

Spring

I meant what was the difference in terms of durability, energy return and comfort...

Nylon Infused Plate wrote:

Galen Ruppp wrote:

What's the practical difference between the carbon infused nylon plate and the full carbon plate?

I tried both. The original nylon ZF sucked. I will not try new ZF because of this. Also, the foam is a major reason for the huge advantage.

Thanks, I appreciate the useful response!

Responding like a human wrote:

Nylon Infused Plate wrote:

I tried both. The original nylon ZF sucked. I will not try new ZF because of this. Also, the foam is a major reason for the huge advantage.

Thanks, I appreciate the useful response!

The new ZF uses a carbon plate (unlike the nylon plate used in the original) and React foam (instead of, um, Lunarlon, maybe?). Point being, the new ZF Flyknits have gotten MUCH better reviews than the OGs...

Nylon Infused Plate wrote:

Galen Ruppp wrote:

What's the practical difference between the carbon infused nylon plate and the full carbon plate?

I tried both. The original nylon ZF sucked. I will not try new ZF because of this. Also, the foam is a major reason for the huge advantage.

I think you'd be surprised. The Flyknit ZF is a faaaaaaarrrrrrrr superior shoe to the nylon ZF in my opinion. I originally bought a pair of the nylon ZF in 11.5 and wasn't thrilled. When they went on clearance at RW I bought a second pair but this time a 12 thinking maybe they were just too snug, at the same time buying a Flyknit ZF in a 12. The Flyknit ZF is such a different feel from the original ZF. I agree that it's not the VF Flyknit, but it's closer to that than it is to the nylon ZF.

I put roughly 400 miles on the original ZF then switched to the ZFFK, night and day difference. Different foam (react vs lunarlon) and different plate (carbon vs carbon infused nylon). The ZFFK is a really solid shoe and I feel over short distances as in up to 10k is faster than the 4%. I use 4% for HM and longer. They beat your legs up a lot less due to the softer foam. They may seem like apples to apples because they’re so similar but I think they serve different purposes. 4% are great long distance shoes. ZFFK are great trainers and short race shoes.

There's also a difference between the Zoom Fly and the Zoom Fly FKT (flyknit). The FKT version has the same carbon plate - an employee at the employee store confirmed it for me.