Deano, you are extremely annoying. Stop talking about Coe on every thread you post.
Thanks.
Deano, you are extremely annoying. Stop talking about Coe on every thread you post.
Thanks.
ikiuk wrote:
Deano, you are extremely annoying. Stop talking about Coe on every thread you post...
Thanks.
… which means on every thread Coe appears.
ex-runner wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
Does the IAAF list Managoi’s time of 46.5 on the yearly lists though?
I don’t think they listed it on such a list or as his pb when I looked at it last year!?
Maybe it does now?
They put his pbs down as 46.5h and 47.33fat
You know as well as I do that hand timing is perfectly legitimate and usually within 0.2-0.3s of a FAT time. That's huge over 100m, hence they are nonsense. but for 400m or 800m its fine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18978613This study looks at the accuracy of complete novices to hand held timing, not trained officials. Absolute errors were around +-0.2s
There is no way that 46.5 isn't sub 47 and I'll go as far as to say that Manangoi claims to have run 45.5-46.0 at other meetings in Kenya which won't have been submitted to the IAAF and he's probably telling the truth.
It was in the context of him stating how running 400m in those times got him nowhere because it's too poor to win anything.
I’m not suggesting that Manangoi isn’t capable of running sub 47 secs, but for record purposes over 400m, a hand time would not be recognised. If it were and deemed totally legitimate, then the IAAF would just list his pb as 46.5. They don’t, they add 47.33 FAT
As you rightly state, hand times can be out by 2 or 3 tenths. If you accept hand times from low level meets, then what’s to stop the ratification of hand times by fully qualified time keepers during training practice?
there's nothing like it wrote:
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_800ok.htmDeanouk wrote:
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Ovett’s first mile WR was in 1980, and at the time all marks beyond 400m were rounded up to nearest tenth for world record purposes. Likewise, although Coe’s FAT for his 79 800m WR was 1:42.33, it was listed as 1:42.4.
Not sure which race you are referring to when stating Coe’s 1:44.0? If it’s the one I mentioned in early 81, then the actual official time was 1:44.06, I just took the time to the 1st d.p.
Manangoi ran a 46.5 hand timed 400m at altitude in a low key meet. Obviously there needs to be a permit or certification that times are FAT for them to stand on yearly lists.
18.05.1985
07.06.1980
Ovett's 3:48.8 was hand timed, it was not rounded from a FAT. Even Coe's first indoor world record was hand timed.
For sure no comment.
ikiuk wrote:
Deano, you are extremely annoying. Stop talking about Coe on every thread you post.
Thanks.
Maybe he's president of his fan club? ?
Good PR from Manangoi (KEN) today in difficult conditions with a 1:44.15... he will be 1:43.20 in better conditions shortly if he decides to give it a run...
How many DL points does Manangoi have in the 800? He should do the 8/15 double st the DL finals.
Hfjskdhs wrote:
How many DL points does Manangoi have in the 800? He should do the 8/15 double st the DL finals.
Even if he qualifies, it’s impossible since the finals are back to back days in two different cities. Great schedule IAAF.
Deanouk wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
They put his pbs down as 46.5h and 47.33fat
You know as well as I do that hand timing is perfectly legitimate and usually within 0.2-0.3s of a FAT time. That's huge over 100m, hence they are nonsense. but for 400m or 800m its fine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18978613This study looks at the accuracy of complete novices to hand held timing, not trained officials. Absolute errors were around +-0.2s
There is no way that 46.5 isn't sub 47 and I'll go as far as to say that Manangoi claims to have run 45.5-46.0 at other meetings in Kenya which won't have been submitted to the IAAF and he's probably telling the truth.
It was in the context of him stating how running 400m in those times got him nowhere because it's too poor to win anything.
I’m not suggesting that Manangoi isn’t capable of running sub 47 secs, but for record purposes over 400m, a hand time would not be recognised. If it were and deemed totally legitimate, then the IAAF would just list his pb as 46.5. They don’t, they add 47.33 FAT
As you rightly state, hand times can be out by 2 or 3 tenths. If you accept hand times from low level meets, then what’s to stop the ratification of hand times by fully qualified time keepers during training practice?
It counts, 47.33 is just a more accurate time, hence the inclusion of hundredths.
They list both as his PB for a reason, if the 46.5 didn't count then they would simply not include it.
And training times can't be verified by anyone, this was at a meeting with spectators, other competitors and independent timers that aren't biased towards Manangoi.
His 400m PB is 46.5 and also 47.33.
One is accurate to 1dp the other to 2dp.
ex-runner wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
I’m not suggesting that Manangoi isn’t capable of running sub 47 secs, but for record purposes over 400m, a hand time would not be recognised. If it were and deemed totally legitimate, then the IAAF would just list his pb as 46.5. They don’t, they add 47.33 FAT
As you rightly state, hand times can be out by 2 or 3 tenths. If you accept hand times from low level meets, then what’s to stop the ratification of hand times by fully qualified time keepers during training practice?
It counts, 47.33 is just a more accurate time, hence the inclusion of hundredths.
They list both as his PB for a reason, if the 46.5 didn't count then they would simply not include it.
And training times can't be verified by anyone, this was at a meeting with spectators, other competitors and independent timers that aren't biased towards Manangoi.
His 400m PB is 46.5 and also 47.33.
One is accurate to 1dp the other to 2dp.
There is a huge difference between 46.5 and 47.33! As you have stated yourself, hand times can be out by 0.2 or 0.3 secs, so a HT in a low key meet, with no video footage, COULD be more like 46.7 or 46.8. The IAAF would not recognise that HT of 46.5 for inclusion in a championship, if the qualifying standard was say 46.8.
https://media.aws.iaaf.org/competitioninfo/403b234e-c2f1-47f9-8d84-6b8fbd27ee3c.pdfCONDITIONS FOR THE VALIDITY OF PERFORMANCES
Performances must be achieved during competitions organised or authorised by the
IAAF, its Area Associations or its Member Federations (for Race Walks and Marathons
see hereunder).
Performances must be achieved during an official competition organised in conformity
with IAAF Rules.
Hand-timed performances in 100m, 200m, 400m, 800m, 110m/100m Hurdles, 400m
Hurdles and 4x100m relay shall not be accepted.