I literally think he ran the run out of himself by getting the world record(which Bekele will take next year). It's like when your driving really hard and the carbonator goes. You just need to get rid of the car because it will never be the same again. Dennis Kimetto just won't be of use anymore. You can't just replace the parts of him that were pushed beyond literally repair in his world record.
Can some please provide a physiological explanation for this theory that he permanently wore his body out? I can understand if he irreparably injured a joint or something, or mentally burnt himself out, but I really don’t understand this vague notion that he’s “used up” or “worn out” at the are of 33. In my experience the body is remarkably resilient and after a few days (or maybe a month after a marathon), it’s ready to go again. Thanks in advance for the serious replies.
It's not that he's running 2:07s and 2:08s instead of 2:03s, which would lead people ask what he's doing different in training to not run as fast. Rather he DNFs every race he enters which, to me, is an indication that he's not quite there. Maybe he's set life and doesn't feel the need or motivation to put his body through those punishing workouts.
Needs to get on some of that NOP l-carnitine and Belekes German doctor special called Actovegin
look into "free radicals", basically "red lining" aka running to long to often to many days in a row sort of deal at the AT boundry or above causes the "burnt out", "used up" "worn out" "alan webb" results.
i know people will reply that i dont know sh*t about sh*t but, this is the issue. most will claim free radicals is from aerobic and not anaerobic efforts, i dont agree. if i was super bada$$ at chemistry i would have prob gone on to get a PhD in advanced exercise physiology and coached or something.....
but from what i have been able to deduce is this, you produce lactic acid, the pH in cell goes down, meaning more H+ ions. its these ions that cause the extreme damage. i know i know everyone will say its the O2 superoixide or whatever that you can build up during aerobic, but i dont think thats the issue. everyone i know who runs "easy" looks relatively young for their age, but people who red lined all the time look 25yrs older than they should, aged, leathery, wrinkles and different colored patches on their skin.
too high of concentrating of H+ ions will denature proteins in lots of cells in the body, it will also effect the pH of your blood and this effects the hemoglobin a protein...for you smart LRers you will remember that heat can also denature proteins, like when you cook an egg....the slimy non yoke turns "white". now imagine what running at "red line" all the time is doing to all sorts of your bodys proteins, and help me out here super chemistry peeps, im sure high levels of H+ ions can cause damage to DNA as well.
and this is again where people who DENY that EPO works need to stop listening to Mr. Marathon Coach. i dont need to get a PhD in chemistry to understand this, EPO gives you more red blood cells, thus allowing your blood to carrying more O2, thus allowing you to run at a pace that used to be above the AT, but now allows you to comfortably run below the AT.
i dont know why this is so hard for people to grasp.
old pace at AT, lets say 5:05 per mile
after some sauce 5:05 is only 130 BPM
so now your AT pace is 4:50.......but but but but but
coaching isnt that hard people, you want to get your runner to be able to run faster than everyone else while still below their AT.....you do too much running at or above the AT and your body is done.
You're so delusional...
Is it just about your countrymen or in general?
masterofdisaster wrote:
You're so delusional...
Is it just about your countrymen or in general?
I have no clue what you're implying.
His goat was sick. Give him a break.
His recovery from workout has decline significantly so his inability to race at his peak fitness will be a miserable afterthought as he lounge in his home.
He got rich. How is this complicated?
Banana Bread wrote:
I literally think he ran the run out of himself by getting the world record(which Bekele will take next year). It's like when your driving really hard and the carbonator goes. You just need to get rid of the car because it will never be the same again. Dennis Kimetto just won't be of use anymore. You can't just replace the parts of him that were pushed beyond literally repair in his world record.
I agree. Kimetto is clearly injured(knee). In Chicago race, his knee gave in all of a sudden making it impossible to proceed with the race.
I believe his training partner Geoffrey Mutai has suffered the same and both are not coming back. They are done.
https://youtu.be/sRwNLIOlIKg?t=4533I don't think there is any explanation.
Kimetto is giving it another shot in Vienna on April 22nd, mark your calendars !
https://www.iaaf.org/news/news/vienna-city-marathon-2018-kimetto
“I was able to train without injuries for a good period,” said Kimetto, who last completed a marathon in London in 2016 when he finished ninth in 2:11:44. “I believe in my capabilities and want to show a strong performance in Vienna.
“If conditions are good then I want to attack the course record (2:05:41),” he added of the mark set by Ethiopia’s Getu Feleke in 2014. “The most important thing is that after several disappointing races in the past two years I can achieve a good marathon result again.”
“Dennis wants to show something in Vienna,” said his manager Gerard van de Veen. “He is an athlete of extraordinary quality. After he ran his world record in Berlin, his physical problems started. I think the race in Berlin took a lot out of his body. We suggested to him to run in Vienna because we have good experience with the event and the course is fine for running a good time.”
Treads for wrote:
The simple answer is drugs. Kimetto is talked about in hushed tones among elite circles in Kenya and Ethiopia. It was very easy for him to run fast when he came from nowhere and wasn't in the testing pool. Not so easy when you make the noise he did.
Utter nonsense.
First off Kimetto is now 34 years old. Not many people can still run fast at that age. Not everyone has Bernard Lagat type longevity. Most runners are washed up by the time they reach 34
Secondly Kimetto won big races from 2011 to 2015 so he was in the testing pool for four years.
Maybe he just lost his motivation to run after making a lot of money. Remember that Kimetto was never passionate about running. He only started running because he was struggling to make a living as a peasant farmer.
Or maybe he is too old to run anymore. His listed age is 34 but he could very well be 37.
Jean-Paul wrote:
trollism wrote:
We've seen Rainman and Forrest Gump.
Movies about retards have been done to death.
I think you’re the retard here, bro. Did you grow up in Trinidad & Tobago or something?
You’re that corny guy that tries to say something funny, piggybacking off of something someone else said but you fail horribly and just end up looking like a douchebag which isn’t a good look BRO.
It is just a coincidence that this is a Miracle Man with Malaria from Kenya:
Just a few years ago, Dennis Kimetto was a farmer, tending corn and cattle in Kenya. Now, he's shattering marathon records.
Six weeks removed from a bout of MALARIA, Kimetto broke the course mark Sunday in capturing the Chicago Marathon. Compatriot Rita Jeptoo was the women's winner in the first major marathon in the United States since the Boston bombings.
Kimetto finished in 2 hours, 3 minutes, 45 seconds, leading a 1-2-3 finish for Kenyan men. He beat the mark of 2:04:38 set by Ethiopia's Tsegaye Kebede last year. He pulled away from Emannuel Mutai over the last few miles and was alone with both arms raised as he crossed the line.
He said through an interpreter that he had been running on his own when he had a chance meeting with Geoffrey Mutai, a star marathoner and fellow Kenyan. Mutai asked Kimetto to join his camp near Eldoret and train with him.
Kimetto finished second in his marathon debut in Berlin last year, won Tokyo and added to his status as one of the world's best on Sunday.
Before the race, there was a 30-second moment of silence to honor the victims of the Boston Marathon bombings.
Mutai (2:03:52), the 2011 London winner, also beat Kebede's time but finished seven seconds off the lead. Sammy Kitwara (2:05:16) was third.
Jeptoo followed her victory at Boston by easily taking her race, finishing in 2:19:57 after losing in a sprint a year ago. There was no one near Jeptoo as she turned into Grant Park, wearing a wide grin and waving to the crowd.
Jemima Sumgong Jelegat of Kenya (2:20:48) was second...followed by Maria Konovalova of Russia (2:22:46).
The winners each earned $100,000. Kimetto gets an additional $75,000 for the course record, while Jeptoo gets another $40,000 for finishing under 2:20:00.
Jeptoo had an easier finish. Last year, she traded leads with Atsede Baysa of Ethiopia down the stretch and lost a step. Six months later, Jeptoo won her second Boston Marathon, a victory overshadowed by tragedy.
This time, she had a big smile and waved to the crowd on her way to the finish.
"In 2006, I won in Boston and after that, I (did not) do well," Jeptoo said. "Last year and this year, I'm really doing well. When I ran Boston again, I saw my dream is coming. This is my happiness."
UPDATE Rita Jeptoo and Jemima Sumgong (training partners managed by Dr. Gabriele Rosa and Federico Rosa):
Russian marathon runner Maria Konovalova has received a two-year ban by the Russian Athletics Federation for irregularities reported in her biological passport due to doping.
All of Konovalova’s results dating back to 2009 have been annulled. She will be eligible to return to competition after Oct. 26, 2017.
The Russian marathoner finished second at the 2010 Chicago Marathon behind Ethiopia’s Aysede Baysa. U.S. Olympian Desiree Linden (née Davila) was the third place finisher behind Konovalova and will be upgraded to second place.
Her second-place finish at the Chicago Marathon earned Konovalova $50,000. Much like convicted doper Liliya Shobukhova, who won the Chicago Marathon from 2009 to 2011, she will be asked to return all prize money.
Chicago Marathon race organizers issued the following statement:
“The Bank of America Chicago Marathon is aware of today’s announcement by the Russian Athletics Federation in regards to Maria Konovalova’s doping ban based on findings from her athlete biological passport (ABP). We will wait for official notification from the International Athletics Association Federations (IAAF) before addressing the athlete’s standing with the Bank of America Chicago Marathon. Konovalova participated in the 2010, 2012 and 2013 Chicago Marathons placing second, fifth and third respectively. The Chicago Marathon has been and continues to be an advocate for strict anti-doping measures along with the other events that comprise the Abbott World Marathon Majors.”
In March, Konovalova ran the WORLD RECORD MARATHON FOR A FEMALE OVER AGE 40 at the Nagoya Marathon by running 2:22:27.
(The result of the Russian-Doper-Cheater-Liar-Fraud™ will be ERASED.)
Konovalova, 41, won the Russian National Championship Half-Marathon on Sept. 12 in 71:49.
In that same race, Shobukhova returned to competition after having her three-year ban reduced due to cooperation with investigators.
She placed fifth in 76:30 and is now eligible to try and make the Russian national team for the 2016 Summer Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro. (Shobukhova is the coach of the woman who placed 5th at the 2016 Rio Olympic Marathon...which was WON by the Kenyan-Doper-Cheater-Liar-Fraud™ MS. JEMIMA SUMGONG.)
Former IAAF President Lamine Diack was arrested on Sunday and questioned over allegations that he accepted bribes for deferring sanctions against Russian athletes that have tested positive for performance enhancing drugs. On Tuesday, Diack was released on bail and ordered not to leave France as the investigation continues.
https://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/11/05/russian-doping-athletics-maria-konovalova-banned-two-years
It is just a Coincidental Synchronicity™.
Even your good friend Jos Hermans has accused him being suspicious.
deathinparadise wrote:
Kimetto is giving it another shot in Vienna on April 22nd, mark your calendars !
https://www.iaaf.org/news/news/vienna-city-marathon-2018-kimetto“I was able to train without injuries for a good period,” said Kimetto, who last completed a marathon in London in 2016 when he finished ninth in 2:11:44. “I believe in my capabilities and want to show a strong performance in Vienna.
“If conditions are good then I want to attack the course record (2:05:41),” he added of the mark set by Ethiopia’s Getu Feleke in 2014. “The most important thing is that after several disappointing races in the past two years I can achieve a good marathon result again.”
“Dennis wants to show something in Vienna,” said his manager Gerard van de Veen. “He is an athlete of extraordinary quality. After he ran his world record in Berlin, his physical problems started. I think the race in Berlin took a lot out of his body. We suggested to him to run in Vienna because we have good experience with the event and the course is fine for running a good time.”
Didn't Kimetto claim he was in great shape before Chicago last year, saying he thought a "good time" would be his own course record (2:03:45)? Then he drops out before 25K when they were running like 2:13 pace ...
It seems like before all of his comeback races there is an article claiming he is in great shape, totally recovered from a previous injury that had held him back, has had great training and is looking for a fast time; then he DNFs and afterwards we hear about a new injury or a flair up of an old injury, or suddenly learn that his training leading up to the race wasn't so good because he was dealing with an injury at some point ...
I don't believe most of the pre-race hype or interviews anymore (and not just for Kimetto). If he even finishes in Vienna and goes sub-2:10, that would be a good result for him at this point.
It has been 3 years since his last good marathon (2:05:50 for 3rd in London, 2015) ... has any elite marathoner ever made a successful comeback after being out of it for so long?
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Even your good friend Jos Hermans has accused him being suspicious.
It turns out that Mr. Geoffrey Mutai (2:03:02 Course Record at Boston, 2:05 Course Record at NYC)...was the training partner of Mr. Kimetto.
It also turns out that Mr. Mutai has had 2 blood tests in his "Atypical ABP" which had high reticulocyte % scores...which may indicate the use of an erythropoiesis-stimulating agent (ESA) such as erthropoietin (EPO), a novel erythropoiesis-stimulating protein drug such as Aranesp®, a third generation EPO such as the continuous erythropoietin receptor activator drug Mircera®, or a hypoxia-inducible factor-1alpha (HIF-1alpha) stabilizer such as FibroGen's FG-4592 (which is now in phase III clinical trials).
For example:
1)
https://imgur.com/a/vnyIC#XNFo4ILSifan Hassan of the Netherlands is managed by Jos Hermens and is now coached by Coach "Albuterol-Androgel-Cytomel-Levothyroxine-Intravenous Levocarnitine-Salbutamol" Salazar.
It turns out that MS. SIFAN HASSAN ALSO HAS A SUSPICIOUS ABP BLOOD TEST RESULT ON THE LEAKED ATYPICAL ABP LIST.
(It is just a Coincidental Synchronicity™.)
In conclusion:
1) Laura Muir makes history with 1500m silver at World Championship as Scot declares she can now beat the best
Three days after a £1,500 cab saved her from snowbound hell, the flying Scot ADDDED ANOTHER GOLD MEDAL to her 3000m GOLD MEDAL.
“I’ve finished fourth, sixth and seventh in world finals before so to win two medals this time around is amazing,” she gasped. “And about time!
“These are my first two medals on the world stage and to get them at a home championships is great.
“At the European Indoors I made quite a big statement (with two titles) but the world stage is completely different. I have shown I can definitely mix it with the Africans and come up with the goods.”
There was poetic justice in her overtaking Sifan Hassan on the final lap given that the Dutch athlete had TRIED TO BLOCK AND GET IN THE WAY OF THE FLYING "WEE SPARRA" SCOT in the 3000m.
"I knew I had to go for it this time,” Muir added. “I knew if I made the right moves, I could get another medal, and improve on the bronze."
"I just ran my socks off.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/athletics/laura-muir-makes-history-world-12122937GO LAURA MUIR!!!
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