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Being a shill for EA i suspect he just did... but i digress
So Andy Vernon made it, whose chances to medal are like Jonny Mellor, outside looking in. But that's a wrong example.. just look at how sprints-skewed is that list. So here we go full Bahamas again... oh... Gold Coast.... Bahamas.... Gold Coast.... I see...
But worry not Jonny... your spat will be rewarded at the next selection... in the meanwhile screw the grassroots EA...!
The British sports-watching public, heartily approve of their underdogs to stir the patriotic spirits. With this awful, uncommercial, unsportsmanlike ommission, two hours of rivetting, flag-waving telly-watching has been replaced by a couple of seconds of a bizarre hopping competition, annoyingly punctuating the running competitions.
Appears one of the selectors (Spencer Duval) might have a personal issue with Mellor's coach, Steve Vernon
https://twitter.com/msy1500/status/922821352981254145
https://twitter.com/msy1500/status/922821787951517697
http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=18769
A) I am not a shill for anyone,
B) I looked at the stats myself, maybe you should try it, or maybe you will just go on emotion, like Matt Silver and say Mellor has a better chance of a medal than the number 1 ranked hammer thrower or something equally as dumb
C) if you think you can lay out an objective case, go ahead. But if all you have is ad hominem don’t bother.
D) as yet I don’t see anyone showing that Mellor is a better bet than anyone included on the team
E) how are the grass roots being screwed, that is a ridiculous comment, this is a championships, the athletes who are in with a chance of selection all come from clubs in the grass roots, some a lot smaller than Mellors club.
F) yes Andy Vernon has been selected, that’s Andy Vernon double European medalist, with consistent performances over years, not a one off outlying time, again I would put him ahead of Mellor objectively.
The Other Ultra Boy wrote:
A) I am not a shill for anyone,
B) I looked at the stats myself, maybe you should try it, or maybe you will just go on emotion, like Matt Silver and say Mellor has a better chance of a medal than the number 1 ranked hammer thrower or something equally as dumb
C) if you think you can lay out an objective case, go ahead. But if all you have is ad hominem don’t bother.
D) as yet I don’t see anyone showing that Mellor is a better bet than anyone included on the team
E) how are the grass roots being screwed, that is a ridiculous comment, this is a championships, the athletes who are in with a chance of selection all come from clubs in the grass roots, some a lot smaller than Mellors club.
F) yes Andy Vernon has been selected, that’s Andy Vernon double European medalist, with consistent performances over years, not a one off outlying time, again I would put him ahead of Mellor objectively.
you think he has more of a chanche beating both Robertson possibly 3 fast kenyans 3 fast Ugandans ( diffrent to the marathon the kenyans last time had ndiku koech and kiplimo) ahmed and possibly a non injured levins and tiernan
yet I don’t see anyone showing that Mellor is a better bet than anyone included on the team you dont think hes better than Cheriece Hylton no need for 6 people in the relay
Two words Harry AA, soooo many third rate sprinters making a comfortable living from relay teams. There is no long term plan for distance running. It changes by the week with the governing bodies. Why are we taking athletes to races like the Toronto Marathon, World trail champs, ultra champs, mountain running champs when all are totally insignificant when compared to a major champs.
Remember when England Athletics selected a 50 something bloke for an international road race after the road relays?? He ran the fastest leg by about 4 minutes and was a v50. He'd obv gone the wrong way! Didn't stop them naming him in the team as their knowledge and basic intelligence was obviously lacking! They clearly still have form! Ha ha.
How is HAA third rate in comparison to Mellor? 10.08 in 3 of the last 5 years, European medallist.
People go to other events to help them develop, or because they are world or Euro champs for that part of athletics, but there are standards for selection. Hopefully they can make a step up. However, in a Championships with limited spaces there isn't room for development athletes. It's not inconsistent it is reality. EA have taken distance runners when places were not limited.
It sucks that if you want to run for England at Marathon the options are:
1 Commonwealth Games - you have to run faster than the 2.14 standard and even 2.12.57 isn’t good enough to send a single individual
2. Toronto Marathon - three places available for ~2.21 runners
3. Chester Marathon - over 100(?) veterans/masters get selected, 5 in each category from each of 3 selection races...ie 15 per category.
So if you want to run for England, don’t waste your time running as fast as possible just be a ~2.30 guy when you turn 35.
It seems like the opposite of a meritocracy and that’s why so many of us are angry about the situation.
The Other Ultra Boy wrote:
How is HAA third rate in comparison to Mellor? 10.08 in 3 of the last 5 years, European medallist.
People go to other events to help them develop, or because they are world or Euro champs for that part of athletics, but there are standards for selection. Hopefully they can make a step up. However, in a Championships with limited spaces there isn't room for development athletes. It's not inconsistent it is reality. EA have taken distance runners when places were not limited.
It is a well known joke in circles that the sprint squad balloons when the event is held in an "exotic" location.... see recent relays held in the Bahamas.... so yes Jonny Mellor has really a good gripe here...
If there is also some personal anymosity between his coach and one of the selectors as stated above then he is a pariah.... after all we all saw the way they treated Andy Vernon after his spat with Sir Mo and the greath lenghts he had to go to make amends.... mission accomplished, but hard to see AV getting any bling in Australia....
isnt vernon injured anyway? i assume the selectors think hell be healthy before april
I know 3 triple jump guys. One is a doper. One is too ugly. The third guy sucks off vagrants for rocks. I hate triple jumpers.
The Other Ultra Boy wrote:
Sorry but this whole " his time is good enough to....." nonsense is ridiculous. He ran his time on the fastest course in the world, on a date picked for optimum marathon conditions, and was not in the first 3 commonwealth athletes in that race by minutes. Instead he will be running against a greater number of commonwealth athletes in less ideal conditions, his pb is simply not comparable with a champs performance. Btw, where does his second best lifetime performance place him?
Yes Steve Way was selected last time, but have you even bothered to understand that last time England did not have restrictions on numbers they could take, placed upon them by the Commonwealth Games? To take him this time means denying someone else a spot.
Matt Silver,
Bryant and Lane were ranked 3rd and 4th in the Commonwealth in 2017, Hague and Cutts equal 4th (excluding not travelling British) , Emerson 3rd, Stainton 6th, Lally 4th, Miller 1st and Campbell 3rd.
Even limiting each country to 3 only Mellor is 16th.
I have to suggest you are clueless as to medal chances at the Commonwealth Games, or wilfully ignorant.
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guess im being proved correct thus far but of course could add pozzi and
Hitchon and all 3 1500m runners
i was right
matt silver wrote:
The Other Ultra Boy wrote:
Sorry but this whole " his time is good enough to....." nonsense is ridiculous. He ran his time on the fastest course in the world, on a date picked for optimum marathon conditions, and was not in the first 3 commonwealth athletes in that race by minutes. Instead he will be running against a greater number of commonwealth athletes in less ideal conditions, his pb is simply not comparable with a champs performance. Btw, where does his second best lifetime performance place him?
Yes Steve Way was selected last time, but have you even bothered to understand that last time England did not have restrictions on numbers they could take, placed upon them by the Commonwealth Games? To take him this time means denying someone else a spot.
Matt Silver,
Bryant and Lane were ranked 3rd and 4th in the Commonwealth in 2017, Hague and Cutts equal 4th (excluding not travelling British) , Emerson 3rd, Stainton 6th, Lally 4th, Miller 1st and Campbell 3rd.
Even limiting each country to 3 only Mellor is 16th.
I have to suggest you are clueless as to medal chances at the Commonwealth Games, or wilfully ignorant.
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guess im being proved correct thus far but of course could add pozzi and
Hitchon and all 3 1500m runners
If you're adding people to the list after the event you're obviously a dickhead.
So you're saying Sophie Hitchon shouldn't have been picked?