Is it time for a Singapore style approach in the war on drugs?

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I am all in favor of the death penalty for drug dealers and have been for many years. Same with rapists. The drug lords are ruthless and we need to stamp them out like an infestation of cockroaches. Show them the same "mercy" that they show their victims.

Build the freakin' wall already and keep these animals out.

joedirt wrote:

Would it be more humane to implement a Singapore City type of policy in this country (mandatory detox for users and death penalty for suppliers)?

The current government, and all medical people would be history.

Let's do it, now!

No, it is time to adopt Portugal's drug policies.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it

joedirt wrote:

Under your system, 20-50 times as many people die from drugs on a per capita basis. Which is more humane? This is a positive step in trying to control the supply side of the problem. When the supply of drugs is zero, nobody dies. The problem with the war on drugs is that only one sided has treated it like it is a war.

LOL

Joedirt got a lot of play on another thread by making outlandish claims about marijuana, now he's started his own troll post to incite more ire.

joetroll... get a life.

Elliott Nestlé Crunch wrote:

I am all in favor of the death penalty for drug dealers and have been for many years. Same with rapists. The drug lords are ruthless and we need to stamp them out like an infestation of cockroaches. Show them the same "mercy" that they show their victims.

Build the freakin' wall already and keep these animals out.

The animals are serving a market. The market is you (maybe), your neighbors, your co-workers, your friends.

Tell your friends, family, and co-workers to stop buying drugs and once the demand dries up, the pushers will find something else to do.

Or we could try Duterte's approach. Instead of bringing them in to stand trial in a lengthy expensive process just gun them down in the street or in their homes.

Jose el Plomero wrote:

Elliott Nestlé Crunch wrote:

I am all in favor of the death penalty for drug dealers and have been for many years. Same with rapists. The drug lords are ruthless and we need to stamp them out like an infestation of cockroaches. Show them the same "mercy" that they show their victims.

Build the freakin' wall already and keep these animals out.

The animals are serving a market. The market is you (maybe), your neighbors, your co-workers, your friends.

Tell your friends, family, and co-workers to stop buying drugs and once the demand dries up, the pushers will find something else to do.

OK, thats all true, but whats wrong with going after the supply side also? Some of the stuff they do in Singapore would absolutely be effective. Remember the kid from the US that vandalized something and he was lashed in public? Perhaps extreme for vandalism but not such a bad idea to actually dole out a punishment that might change behavior.

R1200 wrote:

OK, thats all true, but whats wrong with going after the supply side also? Some of the stuff they do in Singapore would absolutely be effective. Remember the kid from the US that vandalized something and he was lashed in public? Perhaps extreme for vandalism but not such a bad idea to actually dole out a punishment that might change behavior.

In total agreement. Start with the Doctors and Politicians and see if that works after a few of them are put to death. Then move down to the amateurs.

How do you give capital punishment to a pharmaceutical company?

The best way to shut down the illicit drug trade has been known for decades since the days of Pablo Escobar and BCCI. You have to go after the money. Billions of dollars of drug money are laundered every year. This money could be shut down quickly and inexpensively in a way that would cripple the drug trade. But the kind of financial transparency laws and regulations needed to do this conflict with the financial privacy/secrecy that big money people like and are not willing to give up. As long as you can put money into LLCs that are run by off shore GPs with no actual identifiable person attached to them, you will have an easy way to launder drug money.

Also, the death penalty is a waste of prosecution scarce resources and will do nothing to deter the current crop of drug dealers. Anyone connected to Mexican cartels is basically at peace with getting killed at any moment. The threat of the death penalty is actually a much more humane outcome than the horrific way many cartels have killed rivals. Of course it is not surprising that Trump would put that at the forefront of his strategy when many of the effective strategies at getting to money laundering would be detrimental to the way Trump and his billionaire friends like to conduct business.

Horseshit. I don't know what state you live in other than a perpetually trolling one, but go ahead and cite a credible source for any of these claims.[/quote]

Colorado

www.kjct8.com/content/news/CBI-Colorado-crime-on-the-rise-433950183.html

Crime in Colorado was up 5.5% last year, despite falling in almost every other state.

And the ONLY reason for the rise is the legalization of weed..

These law n order types jerk it trying to come up with the next way to be MORE punitive than the next. It's like a little contest between them..

"I think pot should be illegal"

"Oh yeah, well I think it could be illegal, AND whoever is caught with it should forfeit their house, their car, and pay a HUGE fine!"

"Hmmmm.. I think they should forfeit all their possession, and be put in prison... FOR LIFE!"

"EXECUTED!!! There I said it.... anyone caught with a large amount of marijuana should be shot in the head!! Right behind the court house, bullet behind the ear!"

When there is no supply, there is no use. Here are the opioid prevalence rates for some of the countries people have been referring to:

US - 1.6

Portugal - 0.7

Singapore - 0.004

Ergo, the prevalence of opioid use is 400 times greater in the US than it is in Singapore because of our tolerant policies. When Singapore gained it's independence from the UK in 1963, it was mostly uneducated laborers from China, Malaysia and India. Now it is one of the strongest economies in the world (#3-#5 by per capita PPP), has the lowest crime rate and lowest drug use rates in the world. Meanwhile, our status has and continues to decline (#11-13 on per capita GDP PPP). Thirty five years ago our GDP per capita PPP were 30% higher than theirs, now theirs are 50% higher than ours.