Ackley wrote:
Wut? wrote:48 miles a day average? 25 pound pack?
The unsupported part makes it nearly unbelievable unless the record was weak.
Backpackers basically figure 3 mph on flat terrain, 2 mph on uneven terrain.
This would entail 40#-50# packs.
20 miles in a day would be good, but the goal is not to break a record.
Drop the pack to 25#, 20 hour to hike/run, 4 hours to sleep.
48 miles/day is 2.4 mph. 16 hours hike/day is 3 mph.
Is there a rule for the number of times "strangers" can prepare meals for you during the hike before it is no longer considered self-supported?
50 pound packs? What is this moron talking about. Serious thru-hikers are carrying 7-10lb packs at most these days.
[quote]backpack enthusiast wrote:
50 pound packs? What is this moron talking about. Serious thru-hikers are carrying 7-10lb packs at most these days.
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Really? I've never been on the Appalachian Trail but I've spent some time on the PCT and I've never seen any through hikers carrying less than 30 lbs.
Despite all the GPS data, dozens of results that would support this effort (see: PCT), and talent supported in his tenure at Boston College, I have a hard time believing these results are true. I will begin to expose Mr. String Bean.
My friend Randy and I went on a lovely hike with Joe when we ran into him in Banff a few months ago. Although the hike included various switchbacks and navigating snow, Joe struggled to keep up with us. We left him in the dust and left him crying by himself. It was incredibly embarrassing for all involved.
And yeah, Garmin data is usually very accurate, but Joe could easily have rode a bike, travelled via helicopter/horse, etc. Also, his "photo evidence" on his Instagram could easily have been photoshopped. Don't fall into his trap people. Don't let him win.
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-JMT
Joe McConaughy Truther wrote:
Despite all the GPS data, dozens of results that would support this effort (see: PCT), and talent supported in his tenure at Boston College, I have a hard time believing these results are true. I will begin to expose Mr. String Bean.
My friend Randy and I went on a lovely hike with Joe when we ran into him in Banff a few months ago. Although the hike included various switchbacks and navigating snow, Joe struggled to keep up with us. We left him in the dust and left him crying by himself. It was incredibly embarrassing for all involved.
And yeah, Garmin data is usually very accurate, but Joe could easily have rode a bike, travelled via helicopter/horse, etc. Also, his "photo evidence" on his Instagram could easily have been photoshopped. Don't fall into his trap people. Don't let him win.
###HOTTAKES###
-JMT
Go for it, douche, please. It'll reveal far, far more about you than Joe.
Really? I've never been on the Appalachian Trail but I've spent some time on the PCT and I've never seen any through hikers carrying less than 30 lbs.
You stopped and weighed everyones pack with the fish scale you brought in your own 30 pound pack? Nobody carries that much weight that hikes regularly, sorry you have been exposed as a day hiking clueless casual.
backpack enthusiast wrote:
Really? I've never been on the Appalachian Trail but I've spent some time on the PCT and I've never seen any through hikers carrying less than 30 lbs.You stopped and weighed everyones pack with the fish scale you brought in your own 30 pound pack? Nobody carries that much weight that hikes regularly, sorry you have been exposed as a day hiking clueless casual.
PCT is long with weather extremes but the difficult parts of AT are more frequent and far more grueling.
Where the AT becomes more do-able for things like this is the relative proximity to towns / post offices so you can travel lighter / longer.
At least drop the unsupported claim and the 25 pound pack embellishment. 4 hours sleep a night? The 50 miles per day requires a high standard of proof. Skepticism isn't without merit.
Irunfar has an interview with Joe.
http://www.irunfar.com/2017/09/joe-mcconaughys-appalachian-trail-self-supported-fkt-interview.html
I really don't see how he could have covered that many miles without support, carrying a pack, and also apparently not being very familiar with the Trail. Maybe he and his gf split the miles 50/50?
I coached Joe in High School and know him and his family very well. He is an honest person and would never do anything 1/2 way. He is an amazing person and athlete and his accomplishment is legit.
Probably not legit wrote:
Irunfar has an interview with Joe.
http://www.irunfar.com/2017/09/joe-mcconaughys-appalachian-trail-self-supported-fkt-interview.htmlI really don't see how he could have covered that many miles without support, carrying a pack, and also apparently not being very familiar with the Trail. Maybe he and his gf split the miles 50/50?
thanks for that link~
iRunFar: What were some of the injuries?
McConaughy: It was a long list. Let’s see. You know, I keep telling people about injuries and then I remember more that I had [laughs]. So, blisters. Seven sprained ankles and all my right ankle, even though my left one is now the one that’s messed up. A swollen retinaculum on my left ankle. It’s really fat right now. Multiple micro tears, probably, in all the different muscles in my lower quads. I had eight wasp stings. Countless falls and from those a lot of cuts and bruises. The worst of those were my hips landing on rocks. Those were really sore and tough to move. I also had a strained tendon, I think, behind my knee. That was accompanied with a lot of swelling and pain on both knees. I had a strained hammy for a while on my right side. I had extreme chafing around my crotch. I had an open sore on my right foot that got infected. That was three-and-a-half weeks ago and it’s still around. I also had tendinitis on the top of my feet. What else did I have? I had an open sore on my back from the pack. I lost one toenail, believe it or not, only one. The bottoms of my feet are numb. Still [laughs]. I guess I had one or two small IT band issues but surprisingly they weren’t bad. Oh, and one groin strain.
From Joe's instagram and why someome might be suspicious: "Please note that all posts have been backdated to deter any assistance on the trail, as that would jeopardize the self supported rules." Something about that doesnt sound quite right.
Joe is a babe.
Deter assistance or observers? wrote:
From Joe's instagram and why someome might be suspicious: "Please note that all posts have been backdated to deter any assistance on the trail, as that would jeopardize the self supported rules." Something about that doesnt sound quite right.
I just found this thread. I agree with you. Can a trail expert tail me why you'd wait several days before sending out a tweet. How does it deter assistance? All you have to do is refuse assistance.
Backdating your tweets would also deter anyone from being able to check on you like Robert Young.
rojo wrote:
I just found this thread. I agree with you. Can a trail expert tail me why you'd wait several days before sending out a tweet. How does it deter assistance? All you have to do is refuse assistance.
Rojo:
Once people get wind of the attempt, it's a huge distraction and disruption to the hiker. People want to help and they literally get in the way. And then the whole concept of unsupported gets really fuzzy. So, FKTers will backdate stuff to stay ahead of the crowd, so to speak. Heather did the same thing on her unsupported FKT - the one that Joe broke.
I'm stunned people are skeptical of this. The guy did everything he could to be open about the attempt and release as much as he could at the time. He did give the live SPOT data to a few people including the FKT admins and he dumped all his data after the attemp. What more do people want?
The fastest known times board has Joe's time listed as best.
rojo wrote:
Deter assistance or observers? wrote:From Joe's instagram and why someome might be suspicious: "Please note that all posts have been backdated to deter any assistance on the trail, as that would jeopardize the self supported rules." Something about that doesnt sound quite right.
I just found this thread. I agree with you. Can a trail expert tail me why you'd wait several days before sending out a tweet. How does it deter assistance? All you have to do is refuse assistance.
Backdating your tweets would also deter anyone from being able to check on you like Robert Young.
Robert, is there anything you've ever studied yourself instead of posting inane "questions" on the world's most technically inept message board?
Joe's AT "run" can't be as real as your double chin and mantits but hey, what is?
Imagine the end of a Grand Tour mountain stage, as we've recently seen in the Vuelta and multiply that x a jillion for AT through hike, that's how much distraction / interference there COULD be. Not likely but there is a zealous trail scene that could...
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:
I'm stunned people are skeptical of this. The guy did everything he could to be open about the attempt and release as much as he could at the time. He did give the live SPOT data to a few people including the FKT admins and he dumped all his data after the attemp. What more do people want?
The fastest known times board has Joe's time listed as best.
http://fastestknowntime.proboards.com/thread/6
combination of willful trolls and Let's Run arrogant idiocy, usually in the name of fake "logic" or the "free market."
there was a thread earlier that got buried or deleted where people who knew Joe as a runner explained what / why / how but the typical retards here didn't read it.
I didn't say he didn't do it. I simply said I had no idea why people would back date it. I got a nice explanation for it.
Knowing very little about trail runs, I'd say my gut instinct is the records are grossly far away from what the human is capable of so it's not totally inconceivable that someone could break the record. But I do find it surprising that an unsupported run breaks the supported time.
I'd love to pay an Eliud Kipchoge or Kenenisa Bekele $250,000 to take a crack at one of these records. I imagine the records are ripe to be smashed.
When only a handful of people worldwide were running marathons, 2:10 was a great time. When the world started doing it and there were huge cash incentives, 2:03 came a good time.