Should clarify that the reference to 2 male Russians is in relation to finalists...
Should clarify that the reference to 2 male Russians is in relation to finalists...
Big deal, so what. It's just sport.
Do they specify exactly how the question is asked?
Is there any chance that how the question is framed and the context around which it was presented that some may falsely answer yes?
yepppppppp wrote:
Do they specify exactly how the question is asked?
Is there any chance that how the question is framed and the context around which it was presented that some may falsely answer yes?
page 12 of the pdf file:
http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/uk-parliament-publishes-blocked-tubingen-study/"have you knowingly violated anti-doping regulations by using a prohibited substance or method in the last 12 months? Y/N"
Those of the ones who admit it. Could be a lot higher percentage.
Isn't weed a banned substance? What about caffeine over a certain limit? I have a feeling that a large proportion of these positives are just such.
Ho Hum wrote:
This article is much better:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/aug/29/sport-doping-study-revealing-wider-usage-published-after-scandalous-delayThe IAAF sat on this study for SIX YEARS before it got out. Obviously, they didn't want the world to know that testing is a complete farce.
This article says up to 57% of competitors admitted to doping in the prior 12 months.
Yes , testing is a farce , ban cheating wada .
Spend money on athletes health .
Birmingham wrote:
Yes , testing is a farce , ban cheating wada .
Spend money on athletes health .
No build a test on hair or skin or breath.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Ho Hum wrote:This article is much better:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/aug/29/sport-doping-study-revealing-wider-usage-published-after-scandalous-delayThe IAAF sat on this study for SIX YEARS before it got out. Obviously, they didn't want the world to know that testing is a complete farce.
This article says up to 57% of competitors admitted to doping in the prior 12 months.
To me, it comes down to one of two words (but they are redundant): Money and/or greed.
In my opinion, the report was buried due to the amount of money involved in athletics and road racing is huge. Maybe not along the lines of American football, world football (soccer to Americans), professional basketball, nor professional baseball. But it is a lot.
Now you have sponsors who pay large amounts of money to have their logos in stadiums, promoting events, and on athletes. Can you imagine what would happen to all that sponsorship money if it got out that nearly 50% of the athletes competing were doped up?
Imagine you are the CEO or President of a corporation. You are thinking of sponsoring a race or an athletics event. You do and the event is held. But the next week or even next day, it comes out that 50% of the athletes are doped. Would you still want to be sponsoring that event, getting dragged into any negative coverage?
Another point is yes, professional sports surely have athletes on PED's and the like. But they have other side stories that bury the PED stories. Track-and-field really do not have that. You saw this at the recent World Championships at the M's 100-meter final post race press conference. It was about 10 minutes along, and boom, some reporter asked about times being slow and the effect of drug testing had on the times being slow.
Have you heard any one else bring up that sort of question to coaches or athletes after any other professional game/match? Rarely if ever.
(I should also mention that the networks, such as the BBC during WC, seem to make it the sort of any athletic meet.)
Now as for this story, I place fault clearly at the feet of the current IAAF officials. And this includes "His Majesty," Lord Coe. This report should have came out the moment it was ready. And seeing how it re-pressed, the moment "His Majesty" took over, he should have demanded the report go out.
But now, it comes out in the press, the IAAF officials look horrible, and athletics has a MAJOR black eye......
Again , I say Wada and the whole anti doping world is cheating by getting millions on the basis that they catch cheats . Actually a lot of the adverse finding are lab finding that are TUE's so the lie is even greater .
Get the cheats out of sport ,ban wada world and spend money on athletes health .
whataboutthis wrote:
Isn't weed a banned substance? What about caffeine over a certain limit? I have a feeling that a large proportion of these positives are just such.
Perhaps they should've added ...'for the purpose of enhancing performance' to make it explicit.
I'm amazed so many said 'yes'. Why didn't they jusy secretly record who they were? Would've saved a lot of trouble. Sure it's scientifically unethical but ...
Dope Train wrote:
This suggests that there must be a large number of dopers from other countries such as Ethiopia, Jamaica, Kenya etc. (possibly even USA but less likely IMO).
I just wish his Lordship (Coe) could actually deliver on his anti-doping rhetoric.
Why less likely in your opinion? Oh, that's right. The USA never cheats. Apart from Gatlin, Jones, Regina Jacobs, Kelli White, Decker Slaney, Brianna Rollins. We haven't even started on Oregon Project, Carmelita Jetter, Gil Roberts and Ajee Wilson. Get your head out of the sand.
perhaps wrote:
whataboutthis wrote:Isn't weed a banned substance? What about caffeine over a certain limit? I have a feeling that a large proportion of these positives are just such.
Perhaps they should've added ...'for the purpose of enhancing performance' to make it explicit.
The researchers noted that one of the limiting factors of their study was that they did not ask the responder to categorise the drug taken.
They noted that this would be a good study to perform in the future and did not want to put off responders in this study by making it too specific.
There is a possibility that a number of these are recreational abuses but less likely IMO given that athletes tend to be uber OCD about what they put in their bodies - for example elite athletes I know won't even eat chocolate / burgers.
jvrunsfar wrote:
To me, it comes down to one of two words (but they are redundant): Money and/or greed.
In my opinion, the report was buried due to the amount of money involved in athletics and road racing is huge. Maybe not along the lines of American football, world football (soccer to Americans), professional basketball, nor professional baseball. But it is a lot.
Now you have sponsors who pay large amounts of money to have their logos in stadiums, promoting events, and on athletes. Can you imagine what would happen to all that sponsorship money if it got out that nearly 50% of the athletes competing were doped up?
Imagine you are the CEO or President of a corporation. You are thinking of sponsoring a race or an athletics event. You do and the event is held. But the next week or even next day, it comes out that 50% of the athletes are doped. Would you still want to be sponsoring that event, getting dragged into any negative coverage?
Another point is yes, professional sports surely have athletes on PED's and the like. But they have other side stories that bury the PED stories. Track-and-field really do not have that. You saw this at the recent World Championships at the M's 100-meter final post race press conference. It was about 10 minutes along, and boom, some reporter asked about times being slow and the effect of drug testing had on the times being slow.
Have you heard any one else bring up that sort of question to coaches or athletes after any other professional game/match? Rarely if ever.
(I should also mention that the networks, such as the BBC during WC, seem to make it the sort of any athletic meet.)
Now as for this story, I place fault clearly at the feet of the current IAAF officials. And this includes "His Majesty," Lord Coe. This report should have came out the moment it was ready. And seeing how it re-pressed, the moment "His Majesty" took over, he should have demanded the report go out.
But now, it comes out in the press, the IAAF officials look horrible, and athletics has a MAJOR black eye......
Good post. The system is rotten so you have break the system as it is. Ideally the sport should be made amateur again, with no prize or appearance money given to competitors bar travel expenses and maybe some sort of food allowance. This would help clear out corrupt agents and coaches who are just as much part of the doping problem as are the athletes. Guys like Yuki Kawauchi should be the model to follow when it comes to distance running.
This may not be realistic with the current powers that be so these would be things that regular runners can do to try and break the system:
1. Stop following the major events, World Champs, Olympics, Diamond League, Marathon Majors, etc on TV. You could even write to the sponsors of these events and tell them that you are not buying their products because they are sponsoring events full of doped athletes. And really try not to purchase these sponsors' products - look for alternatives.
2. Do not pay entry fees and compete in road races that are inviting doped Aftricans. Write to the race diretors and tell them that you are not running in their race because they are continuing to invite athletes from countries with shocking doping records or doping controls such as Kenya or Ethiopia. Tell other runners to do the same.
3. Keep following the doping news and busts very closesly, and talk about them on forums like this. If the sport's organizers realize that there is more interest in doping busts than actually following their events, maybe they might focus on actually making more doping busts.
ezby wrote:
Dope Train wrote:This suggests that there must be a large number of dopers from other countries such as Ethiopia, Jamaica, Kenya etc. (possibly even USA but less likely IMO).
I just wish his Lordship (Coe) could actually deliver on his anti-doping rhetoric.
Why less likely in your opinion? Oh, that's right. The USA never cheats. Apart from Gatlin, Jones, Regina Jacobs, Kelli White, Decker Slaney, Brianna Rollins. We haven't even started on Oregon Project, Carmelita Jetter, Gil Roberts and Ajee Wilson. Get your head out of the sand.
The USA has a more stringent testing regime compared to the likes of Ethiopia or Kenya.
USADA / FBI were partly responsible for bringing down Armstrong and are currently probing NOP. If one of the Ethiopian stars was cheating (Ayana for instance), I wouldn't expect the Ethiopian anti doping / other national authorities to rat her out. The pharmacy caught selling EPO to athletes in Ethiopia was only stripped of its licence for a number of months and the names of the athletes who acquired EPO have not and likely will not be released.
I do agree though that the US has had it's fair share of cheats over the years and am not naive of that fact.
Dope Train wrote:
The USA has a more stringent testing regime compared to the likes of Ethiopia or Kenya.
Correct, but but those two are among the extremes. Compare the US to other industrial nations, and we seem to cheat much more than them.
Plus, USADA has - especially recently - a history of closing both eyes, cf. NOP (no bans for using a prohibited method, Rollins (running away from tester = inadvertently missed test), Roberts (kissed too much), Wilson (ate beef).
Dope Train wrote:
I do agree though that the US has had it's fair share of cheats over the years and am not naive of that fact.
It's shameful, but if you compare our top presidential candidates Clinton + Trump to those of the other G7, the voters here really seem to encourage lying + cheating. No way people like that would reach the top in Germany, UK, Canada, ... well, maybe in Italy.
So one shouldn't expect too much from USADA either.
casual obsever wrote:
Dope Train wrote:The USA has a more stringent testing regime compared to the likes of Ethiopia or Kenya.
Correct, but but those two are among the extremes. Compare the US to other industrial nations, and we seem to cheat much more than them.
Plus, USADA has - especially recently - a history of closing both eyes, cf. NOP (no bans for using a prohibited method, Rollins (running away from tester = inadvertently missed test), Roberts (kissed too much), Wilson (ate beef).
Dope Train wrote:
I do agree though that the US has had it's fair share of cheats over the years and am not naive of that fact.
It's shameful, but if you compare our top presidential candidates Clinton + Trump to those of the other G7, the voters here really seem to encourage lying + cheating. No way people like that would reach the top in Germany, UK, Canada, ... well, maybe in Italy.
So one shouldn't expect too much from USADA either.
Great point