Adiosrunner wrote:
All of this sounds interesting. However, I still think CU women will beat Oregon's women. CU also has a very strong returning team. Last year was a gift to OU.
Or one team stepped up and competed at a championship level and the other wet their pants
Top 3 Women's teams at NCAA Cross 1) Oregon 2) New Mexico 3) Colorado
Yes, leaving Harvard for a third rate state school proves she was either asked to leave for academic reasons or she is just plain dumb. If you are talented enough to make it to the pros you will be able to do it through Harvard as well as through Oregon.
Makes no sense wrote:
About the stupidest life decision one could possibly make. If she was my kid is let her know there will be zero financial support after she graduates and can't find a job. You don't give up a Harvard degree. She will regret this decision.
She probably won't, though. Harvard is not a good fit for everyone. She'll find something to do after college. Almost everybody does.
Makes no sense wrote:
About the stupidest life decision one could possibly make. If she was my kid is let her know there will be zero financial support after she graduates and can't find a job. You don't give up a Harvard degree. She will regret this decision.
Maybe it was the decision of going to Harvard that had her scratching her head. It definitly had me questioning it... She's a sharp cookie and a very driven talented athlete. There's nothing wrong with following your heart if you're passionate enough about it!
Good luck Judy!
Based on the evidence at hand, there is no reason to think that Prendergast flunked out of Harvard. This actually seems like something she would do out of her own intuition. An article in The Crimson awhile back reported that she was a part of that small camp that supported PWD through and through. Through the unhealthy weight loss, through the overtraining, through the "athletics is more important than your Harvard education" mentality. Through it all. This would suggest that she is the type of person who actually wants to throw her entire life over to running. Oregon will let her do that easily since she won't have to try in school anymore. Whether or not this is a good decision is extremely debatable, but I think it's clear that this is what she wants.
Can someone direct me to the appropriate threads about "PWD" and "The Harvard situation"? TIA.
clue less wrote:
Can someone direct me to the appropriate threads about "PWD" and "The Harvard situation"? TIA.
Search for "Patrick Wales Dinan" or "PWD" in the forum search function and you'll find it.
Otherwise, read this:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/3/23/distance-runners-team-divided/The Starved Elephant wrote:
Based on the evidence at hand, there is no reason to think that Prendergast flunked out of Harvard. This actually seems like something she would do out of her own intuition. An article in The Crimson awhile back reported that she was a part of that small camp that supported PWD through and through. Through the unhealthy weight loss, through the overtraining, through the "athletics is more important than your Harvard education" mentality. Through it all. This would suggest that she is the type of person who actually wants to throw her entire life over to running. Oregon will let her do that easily since she won't have to try in school anymore. Whether or not this is a good decision is extremely debatable, but I think it's clear that this is what she wants.
"Through the unhealthy weight loss."
Have you not seen pictures of her in high school versus college? She definitely put weight on while at Harvard and it's a good thing she did.
not paying attention wrote:
The Starved Elephant wrote:Based on the evidence at hand, there is no reason to think that Prendergast flunked out of Harvard. This actually seems like something she would do out of her own intuition. An article in The Crimson awhile back reported that she was a part of that small camp that supported PWD through and through. Through the unhealthy weight loss, through the overtraining, through the "athletics is more important than your Harvard education" mentality. Through it all. This would suggest that she is the type of person who actually wants to throw her entire life over to running. Oregon will let her do that easily since she won't have to try in school anymore. Whether or not this is a good decision is extremely debatable, but I think it's clear that this is what she wants.
"Through the unhealthy weight loss."
Have you not seen pictures of her in high school versus college? She definitely put weight on while at Harvard and it's a good thing she did.
Not talking about her specifically, but the accounts of the runners who quit. A lot of Harvard girls said that PWD forced them to lose "unhealthy" amounts of weight. But since Prender supported PWD, there must have been exceptions to that.
Haaaaavaaaaaad wrote:
Yes, leaving Harvard for a third rate state school proves she was either asked to leave for academic reasons or she is just plain dumb. If you are talented enough to make it to the pros you will be able to do it through Harvard as well as through Oregon.
Please provide us with of the Harvard trained pros
Yeah, this is almost certainly the reason. The state of things at H sounds horribly dysfunctional, and the weight-loss stuff is pretty grim. I wouldn't want to spend 30 hours a week in an atmosphere like that.
Harvard's a great school, and it's great to have the degree. But for some people, getting the degree isn't worth living through four years of pure shit.
This statement:
"If you are talented enough to make it to the pros you will be able to do it through Harvard as well as through Oregon"
does not require examples of Harvard trained pros to be true. Perhaps no one of that caliber of talent has passed through Harvard or, more likely, the opportunities that present themselves to a Harvard grad make pursuing a career in running extremely unattractive.
Why don't you provide the "extensive" list of distance running pros from Oregon as compared to 100's of other schools? Then list the Oregon grads that serve coffee at Starbucks.
Haaaaavaaaaaad wrote:
This statement:
"If you are talented enough to make it to the pros you will be able to do it through Harvard as well as through Oregon"
does not require examples of Harvard trained pros to be true. Perhaps no one of that caliber of talent has passed through Harvard or, more likely, the opportunities that present themselves to a Harvard grad make pursuing a career in running extremely unattractive.
Why don't you provide the "extensive" list of distance running pros from Oregon as compared to 100's of other schools? Then list the Oregon grads that serve coffee at Starbucks.
I get, and mostly agree, with what you're saying, but you can't deny that Oregon has produced an exceptional and disproportionate large number of professional runners over the years. (and yes, probably a lot of baristas as well)
Haaaaavaaaaaad wrote:
This statement:
"If you are talented enough to make it to the pros you will be able to do it through Harvard as well as through Oregon"
does not require examples of Harvard trained pros to be true. Perhaps no one of that caliber of talent has passed through Harvard or, more likely, the opportunities that present themselves to a Harvard grad make pursuing a career in running extremely unattractive.
Why don't you provide the "extensive" list of distance running pros from Oregon as compared to 100's of other schools? Then list the Oregon grads that serve coffee at Starbucks.
If she wants to be a tedious self absorbed bore, she should stay at Harvard
If she wants to give a shot at success running, she should go to Oregon or one of the 100s of other schools that isn't Harvard
Said no one ever.
empiricist wrote:
If she wants to be a tedious self absorbed bore, she should stay at Harvard
If she wants to give a shot at success running, she should go to Oregon or one of the 100s of other schools that isn't Harvard
How this was handled by Harvard is an example of their dysfunctional philosophy.
Let's resume this discussion in 3 years. Let's see if she is an exciting and vivacious, successful runner heading to the Tokyo Olympics or just another Oregon grad looking for work.
Her coach at Harvard who she so highly respected is now gone and replaced. His methods were suspect and harmful to many but got some XC results. Let's see if she can even replicate her freshman year accomplishments at Oregon in the interim.
Said Judy, actually.
Why are you so intolerant of another person's choice that you don't agree with? It's obvious that if you were in her shoes, you would have made a different decision. To be honest, I probably would have too. But I'm not her, and neither are you. Her family has stated she was thriving there, and, as someone mentioned earlier, she supported PWD before him resigning. But thats what we know, and there's a whole lot we don't know. The decision to prioritize her running career over her academics is her choice alone, and as long as she's happy with it, I'm happy for her. Go get em Judy.
The Starved Elephant wrote:
not paying attention wrote:"Through the unhealthy weight loss."
Have you not seen pictures of her in high school versus college? She definitely put weight on while at Harvard and it's a good thing she did.
Not talking about her specifically, but the accounts of the runners who quit. A lot of Harvard girls said that PWD forced them to lose "unhealthy" amounts of weight. But since Prender supported PWD, there must have been exceptions to that.
Never understood coaches forcing athletes to lose weight. If you are running 60 miles per week and weigh 140lb, that means you are MEANT to weigh 140lb. You drop the weight, you also drop the strength.
Serious question - 1) Does Pendergast have to sit out a year?
2) How much scholarship is she getting?
3) Did Oregon athletic dept. find her academic scholarship?