Asbel Kiprop is moving up to the 5000m

I say great idea. 5000 meters gives him a lot more time to make stupid tactical moves and still win

Kiprop should have a dozen gold medals by now. He is the consummate underachiever.

Kiprop is simply just not a 5k runner and has no credentials at all at the distance. His 800's are good and he has gone 1:43-1:44 multiple times, but that's just what he is, an 800/1500 runner.

He doesn't have the frame for a 5k runner. He can, at most run 13:20. That's not going to get you anywhere in a championship 5k. Even the 5k runners like Edris, Berega, and Kijelcha who can only run 3:32-3:34; if they can run 12:50 all out, they will always have more going into the last lap and will dust Kiprop to crumbs.

Jeremy Warner should be moving up to the 5000 now too. Think I saw a tweet about it a few weeks back.

alsharir wrote:Kiprop did not win the 2008. CLEAN Ramzi did! Face it KIPROP was DOPED too

real dumb statement

if Asbel doped to win '08, how come that same dope only got him nowhere in '07 WC ???

musta been some crap dope...

Kiprop cant get EL G record anyways

he had his shot in '15 but crap pacers coudn't get him anywhere near the bell as hicham always had, nor coud they run any sort of even-pace

Good move moving to 5k

only superficially

The Kenyans are under the drug microscope now. It's the Ethiopian era now for a few years.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Kiprop is simply just not a 5k runner and has no credentials at all at the distance. His 800's are good and he has gone 1:43-1:44 multiple times, but that's just what he is, an 800/1500 runner.

He doesn't have the frame for a 5k runner. He can, at most run 13:20. That's not going to get you anywhere in a championship 5k. Even the 5k runners like Edris, Berega, and Kijelcha who can only run 3:32-3:34; if they can run 12:50 all out, they will always have more going into the last lap and will dust Kiprop to crumbs.

I think thats false, kiprop ran 7:42 3k back in 2007 this is around 2:34/km pace, which indicates a 5k time of around 13:10 or 2:38/km.He has obviously improved significantly since then, 1500m in 3:26, he can run a minimum of 7:25 in 3k off this time and a 5k time 12:45, he'll basically match el g prs, i think el g was capable of at least 12:45 5k. He also ran 1:43 in 800m, the guy is seriously talented but a huge disappointment, he just seems to switch off in some races.

his 800 was helluva lot better than 1'43

in '09 when probably around 3'29 in a perfect 1500, he faced kaki & Big-Man in doha & that was year Big-Man finished year with 1'42.01 !!! & he thrashed the Big-Man !!!

Asbel ran 1'43.1 with huge amount of wide running & left his kick too late, only really in homestretch as got boxed in by Big-Man & some other african in back-stretch

idieal race that day with 0 extra run on bends as Big-Man/Kipketer managed in their 1'40.91/1'41.24 & launch his "kick", early on he was capable at 19y of

~ 1'41-high !!!

& he was training for 1500 at the time !!! & probably only about 3'29-shape !!!

he had outside shot of breaking the 800WR in '09 but definitely couda done so in '10 or '11 if he'd stuck to serious 800 racing even if training for 1500, but he lost all aggression in 1st lap of 800s

back then that was true, perhaps he coud dip uder 13 if he trained for it, but not likely to run near 12'50 unless makes huge effort & changes his training completely, which i don't see

you understimate edris

for a start, he was likely in 12'45 shape in perfect race in london

6 guys ran 12'46 - 12'49 in paris-'12 in non-perfect race which was still to slow in 4th km & edris is better than at least 3 or even 4 of those

also his speed is underestimated

if mo can run 3'28, edris woudn't be too far off that

prelim lines of fit i get for edris just to nearest 0.25s for 400/800 are

~ 50.25 / 1'46.50

->

3'29.89

4'46.08

7'22.28

12'44.77

or

~ 50.25 / 1'46.25

->

3'29.85

4'46.28

7'23.13

12'47.34

or

~ 50.00 / 1'46.00

->

3'28.95

4'44.83

7'20.41

12'41.64

last estimate is too quick but only doing to nearest 0.25s for 400/800

however, i do think edris is capable right now of dipping into 3'29s currently in a perfect race, that's why he's going to be so hard to beat by anyone

El Keniano wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Personally I think that he is finished.

Since 2007 he's had one subpar season, 2017. And he's still only 28. Yet you think he's finished?

Word is he's always had superior talent and taking it easier than his partners in training. This year's failure will probably spur him to actually work harder than he's wanted to in his career. The best is yet to come.

One sub-par season? He bombed in London (maybe injury lets him off that one), and Rio, where he really had no excuses and didn't even medal!

He's just been too inconsistent over his career to be hailed as the greatest, as well as no world records. Although to be fair, if (likely) El G and Lagat doped, then he would have broken the WR.

calculo wrote:

alsharir wrote:Kiprop did not win the 2008. CLEAN Ramzi did! Face it KIPROP was DOPED too

real dumb statement

if Asbel doped to win '08, how come that same dope only got him nowhere in '07 WC ???

musta been some crap dope...

Kiprop cant get EL G record anyways

he had his shot in '15 but crap pacers coudn't get him anywhere near the bell as hicham always had, nor coud they run any sort of even-pace

Good move moving to 5k

only superficially

I don't think kiprop is doping, but i do think you are an idiot so wanted to point out that 2007 is before 2008.

What this means is, theoretically, kiprop could have lost in the world champs in 2008, then decided to begin doping.

Generally, from previous qualitative sources, it has been shown that doping helps to improve the performance of an athlete. This would then lead kiprop to finish 2nd behind the equally doped Ramzi who just had more finishing speed.

Your welcome.

*you're

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Kiprop is simply just not a 5k runner and has no credentials at all at the distance. His 800's are good and he has gone 1:43-1:44 multiple times, but that's just what he is, an 800/1500 runner.

Exactly. He should stick with what he's GREAT at- this is just silly.

Kiprop is always interesting to watch because he can be brilliant or crazy and you never know which runner will show up.

I wish him all the best, but I question whether he's the right type for longer distances and I wonder whether he is just past his prime and will struggle at whatever distance he runs. He's had a great career one way or the other.

In his favor, the 5000 will give him more time during a race to recover from bad positioning and tactics, and Kenya seems to be down in the longer distances as more Kenyans go straight to the marathon.

1500>5000 wrote:

Kiprop is always interesting to watch because he can be brilliant or crazy and you never know which runner will show up.

I wish him all the best, but I question whether he's the right type for longer distances and I wonder whether he is just past his prime and will struggle at whatever distance he runs. He's had a great career one way or the other.

In his favor, the 5000 will give him more time during a race to recover from bad positioning and tactics, and Kenya seems to be down in the longer distances as more Kenyans go straight to the marathon.

The thing with Asbel is like this.....he has never trained like a 5000m runner. The longest distance in training ever done is 18 km. He has used the old school of Lydiard ( not the version with keeping up faster paces even during the aerob phase). He is just 28 ! Would like to see him in a world record attempt next year at 1500/mile. If he finally agrees to my training system to reach it, he will also have the strength to become one of the great 5000m runners. But he is "stubborn" and keeps follow the same way as the last 10 years......I doubt he will accept my system....but if he does you will see a different more stronger version of runner next season. I know how to do it.

From the type of runner Kiprop is, I don't really see him being as good at 5000m as he is/was at 1500m. I doubt he will ever break 13:00. He does not strike me as a runner who has the stamina to do that, nor do I think he can kick faster than his competitors even in a slower race with a winning time of 13:20 or so. He is a speed-based runner with long lanky strides not good for longer distances. I am interested to see what he can do nonetheless.

Jack M. wrote:

From the type of runner Kiprop is, I don't really see him being as good at 5000m as he is/was at 1500m. I doubt he will ever break 13:00. He does not strike me as a runner who has the stamina to do that, nor do I think he can kick faster than his competitors even in a slower race with a winning time of 13:20 or so. He is a speed-based runner with long lanky strides not good for longer distances. I am interested to see what he can do nonetheless.

I don't think he'll do all that well at 5000m either. Mentally I just don't see him having it where he can stay in the game for 13 minutes straight and be engaged in the race. He really strikes me mentally as a guy that has a good 3-4 minutes of focus and that is it. He might prove me completely wrong though, who really knows til he gives it a try.

Jack M. wrote:

From the type of runner Kiprop is, I don't really see him being as good at 5000m as he is/was at 1500m. I doubt he will ever break 13:00. He does not strike me as a runner who has the stamina to do that, nor do I think he can kick faster than his competitors even in a slower race with a winning time of 13:20 or so. He is a speed-based runner with long lanky strides not good for longer distances. I am interested to see what he can do nonetheless.

As I said. He don`t have the stamina for 5000m now. But he can get it. Depends on what his choice for next season training will be.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Kiprop is simply just not a 5k runner and has no credentials at all at the distance. His 800's are good and he has gone 1:43-1:44 multiple times, but that's just what he is, an 800/1500 runner.

He doesn't have the frame for a 5k runner. He can, at most run 13:20.

A lot of the comments on this thread seem to reveal considerable ignorance about Kiprop's background as a distance runner. When Kiprop was just seventeen years old, he won the world junior cross-country championship against one of the deepest junior (U20) fields in history over a challenging 8k course under notoriously brutal conditions in Mombasa. Here is a video of that race. Note that Kiprop didn't simply sit back and outkick the pack; he took the lead and pushed the pace at the outset, hung with the lead pack throughout the race, and powered away from many of the best distance runners of his generation for a decisive victory:

Here are the complete results:

The only thing that has prevented Kiprop from being a world-class 5000m runner thus far is his success at 1500m from such an early age. I've been waiting for him to move up in distance for a long time; I think his biggest weakness is his tactical sense over 1500m, where he often has to overcome a large deficit and run wide around the whole field over the course of a few hundred meters.

He was young, poor, and hungry back then. Now he's super accomplished over a much shorter distance and rich. He'd have to prove to me (I'm obviously a nobody) that he's willing to put in the work to be a 12:50 guy and a potential world champ at 5k before I'll believe he has the desire to do so.