HS XC Boys States Rankings?

CA put 3 freshman within the Utah boys' top 20 3200 times. Meanwhile Utah apparently only had 2 freshman break 10:00. CA had 42.

CA's top girl nearly beat Utah's top freshman boy in the 3200.

Altitude confers quite the advantage over the course of a high school career.

Orange Country, CA (the 3rd largest county in CA) has over 3 million people. Thats more people than 22 states. Crazy!

How many states could OC beat in a dual meet? Best 7 v. best 7.

Maybe a little more to it wrote:

Florida is terrible, as is most of the south, and a lot of states punch way above their weight (esp. Utah)

South has been good at footlocker recently FYI

noperz wrote:

Yepperz wrote:

Plus that elevation in Utah...

That elevation is what helps them run faster, or is that what you were saying?

I wa mostly making a joke because folks tend to get hung up on and bent out of shape by altitude conversions.

More seriously, if those 3200 times for the Utah kids were run in Utah, then they were likely run at a higher elevation than the CA 3200s.

Yepperz wrote:

I wa mostly making a joke because folks tend to get hung up on and bent out of shape by altitude conversions.

More seriously, if those 3200 times for the Utah kids were run in Utah, then they were likely run at a higher elevation than the CA 3200s.

17 of the top 25 were run at Arcadia.

Not enough credit is being given to Ohio in this thread. (I am assuming a meet with the top 7 from each state).

If you look at returners (at 5k, so this leaves off SOME runners from states that don't run that distance), Ohio has 5 in the top 24 from last year. Only TX is better, and CA only has 2 in the top 24.

Ohio boys would wipe the floor with PA and NY and FL and UT and MS and CO and CA (states others have said are better than Ohio). IL is always tough, and Oregon would do well, but neither of them are guaranteed to beat Ohio boys.

Ohio boys should have a handful of guys that are VERY good this fall. Girls should have several that are pretty good as well...

out here in oklahoma, we take sucking at XC very seriously.

Flagpole wrote:

Not enough credit is being given to Ohio in this thread. (I am assuming a meet with the top 7 from each state).

If you look at returners (at 5k, so this leaves off SOME runners from states that don't run that distance), Ohio has 5 in the top 24 from last year. Only TX is better, and CA only has 2 in the top 24.

Ohio boys would wipe the floor with PA and NY and FL and UT and MS and CO and CA (states others have said are better than Ohio). IL is always tough, and Oregon would do well, but neither of them are guaranteed to beat Ohio boys.

Comparing times over XC 5ks across states is kind of pointless; there's way too much variation in in courses for you to glean any valuable information from it. Looking at the 3200 results from the previous track season generally paints a better picture.

Ohio is still strong, as is to be expected from a more populous state, with the top 7 returners at 8:56, 9:00, 9:13, 9:15, 9:15, 9:16, and 9:17, but it looks like they'd be pretty handily topped by CA (8:54, 9:03, 9:07, 9:07, 9:08, 9:08, 9:08) and only slightly ahead of NY, UT, TX, etc. Probably on par with IL.

So you're going to compare one state that runs 5000 exclusively with a state that runs it the minority of the time, huh?

Judging by the looks of track, where everyone is on the same course, Ohio gets trounced by CA in addition to every other state that has at least 5 guys in the top 100 returners for 3200 in this past season. Team score is listed next to each team's top runner. Ohio is dead last. California's B team destroys Ohio.

1 11 Gabe Fendel 8:50.56 PR IN - 99

2 11 Justin Hazell 8:54.78 PR CA - 46

3 11 Dustin Horter 8:56.62 PR OH - 127

4 11 Clayton Mendez 8:59.46 PR IL - 66

5 11 Danny Kilrea 9:00.81 PR IL

6 11 Matt Scrape 9:00.87 PR OH

7 10 Samuel Affolder 9:02.95 PR VA - 116

8 10 Liam Anderson 9:03.40 PR CA

9 11 Nathan Lawler 9:03.87 PR NY - 127

10 11 Logan Hall 9:05.75 PR IL

11 11 Meika Beaudoin 9:07.16 PR CA

12 11 Colby Corcoran 9:07.77 PR CA

13 11 Carlos Carvajal 9:08.54 PR CA

14 11 Raymon Ornelas 9:08.79 CA

15 11 Tyler Spencer 9:09.22 PR CA

16 11 Skylar Stidam 9:09.69 PR IN

17 10 Marcus Mota 9:09.93 PR CA - B 109

18 11 Jack Landgraf 9:10.16 CA - B

19 11 Robert Miranda 9:10.26 PR CA - B

20 11 Tristan Shelgren 9:10.41 PR NY

21 11 Benjamin Nibbelink 9:10.60 PR VA

22 11 Ben Miller 9:10.74 PR IN

23 10 Wyatt McIntyre 9:11.32 PR IL

24 10 Zach Kinne 9:11.48 PR IL

25 11 Trevor Woodward 9:11.49 PR CA - B

26 11 Jake Kintzele 9:11.49 PR IN

27 11 Philip Lambert 9:11.50 PR VA

28 11 Isaiah Claiborne 9:11.83 PR NY

29 11 Ahmed Hassan 9:11.91 PR VA

30 11 Zach Arias 9:12.23 PR CA - B

31 11 Gregory Fusco 9:12.61 PR NY

32 11 Peter Morris 9:12.65 PR VA

33 11 Colton Bogucki 9:13.25 PR VA

34 11 Alec Fleming 9:13.60 PR IN

35 11 Nate Kawalec 9:13.66 PR OH

36 11 Preston Pope 9:13.75 PR CA - B

37 11 Alex Scales 9:13.91 PR CA - B

38 11 Will Persin 9:13.97 PR IN

39 11 Greg Fusco 9:13.97 PR NY

40 10 Conant Smith 9:14.04 PR OH

41 11 Silas Derfel 9:14.75 PR NY

42 11 Derek Johnson 9:14.98 PR VA

43 11 Chad Johnson 9:15.30 PR OH

44 10 Matt Moravec 9:15.36 PR IL

45 11 Antonio Lopez 9:15.38 PR VA

46 10 Shea Weilbaker 9:15.75 PR NY

You make a good point, and this is where CA does well with greater numbers. In the case of Ohio, when you take out a couple of guys who didn't run the 3200 in outdoor but will do really well in cross country, and then some guys who ran better times in indoor (which aren't seen above), it makes a difference. Arjun Jha (OH) isn't on your list, and he ran 14:56 last fall.

Also, cross country is different than track. There are lots of guys who end up running under 9:10 who then can't compete with a 9:20 guy in cross country. Happens all the time.

As I said to another poster, cross country is different from track, and 3200 is not a perfect predictor of what will happen in cross country. Also, there were some OH guys who ran better 3200 PRs in indoor than outdoor (either didn't run it in outdoor or had injuries, illness, etc.), so that list of the top 7 returners isn't complete...not from Ohio anyway.

Minnesota anyone? The Minnesota Lake Conference alone often puts teams into NXN and has a national championship team every couple years. in 2015 I believe they had three teams in the top 15 at NXN with Hopkins 7th, Edina 13th and Wayzata 14th. Only a 5 team conference, too..

Some of the top runners in the country on the track come from there, too.

I think all of these states should assemble their best seven, and then come race the Florida team...in Florida...in October. We'd lose to a few of them, but would beat several that look much stronger on paper. Our October is New York's July (a little worse even if you're in SW or S Florida).

But yeah our kids would get their asses kicked by those top states. We don't have hills, and lose a lot of talent to other sports.

I agree there are guys better at track and those better at XC, but why do you think it's only the OH guys that are all better at XC?

Here's with top indoor times included.

CA - A 46

IL 66

IN 103

CA - B 110

OH 116

VA 121

NY 134

1 11 Gabe Fendel 8:50.56 PR IN - 103

2 11 Justin Hazell 8:54.78 PR CA - 46

3 11 Dustin Horter 8:56.62 PR OH - 116

4 11 Clayton Mendez 8:59.46 PR IL - 66

5 11 Danny Kilrea 9:00.81 PR IL

6 11 Matt Scrape 9:00.87 PR OH

7 10 Samuel Affolder 9:02.95 PR VA - 121

8 10 Liam Anderson 9:03.40 PR CA

9 11 Nathan Lawler 9:03.87 PR NY - 134

10 11 Logan Hall 9:05.75 PR IL

11 11 Meika Beaudoin-Rousseau 9:07.16 PR CA

12 11 Colby Corcoran 9:07.77 PR CA

13 11 Carlos Carvajal 9:08.54 PR CA

14 11 Raymon Ornelas 9:08.79 CA

15 11 Tyler Spencer 9:09.22 PR CA

16 11 Skylar Stidam 9:09.69 PR IN

17 10 Marcus Mota 9:09.93 PR CA - B - 110

18 11 Jack Landgraf 9:10.16 CA - B

19 11 Robert Miranda 9:10.26 PR CA - B

20 11 Tristan Shelgren 9:10.41 PR NY

21 11 Benjamin Nibbelink 9:10.60 PR VA

22 11 Ben Miller 9:10.74 PR IN

23 10 Wyatt McIntyre 9:11.32 PR IL

24 10 Zach Kinne 9:11.48 PR IL

25 11 Trevor Woodward 9:11.49 PR CA - B

26 11 Jake Kintzele 9:11.49 PR IN

27 11 Philip Lambert 9:11.50 PR VA

28 11 Dylan Jacobs 9:11.67 PR IL

29 11 Isaiah Claiborne 9:11.83 PR NY

30 11 Ahmed Hassan 9:11.91 PR VA

31 11 Zach Arias 9:12.23 PR CA - B

32 11 Gregory Fusco 9:12.61 PR NY

33 11 Peter Morris 9:12.65 PR VA

34 11 Zach Kreft 9:12.89 PR OH

35 11 Colton Bogucki 9:13.25 PR VA

36 11 Andrew Payne 9:13.44 PR OH

37 11 Arjun Jha 9:13.46 PR OH

38 11 Alec Fleming 9:13.60 PR IN

39 11 Nate Kawalec 9:13.66 PR OH

40 11 Preston Pope 9:13.75 PR CA - B

41 11 Alex Scales 9:13.91 PR CA - B

42 11 Will Persin 9:13.97 PR IN

43 10 Conant Smith 9:14.04 PR OH

44 11 Silas Derfel 9:14.75 PR NY

45 11 Derek Johnson 9:14.98 PR VA

46 10 Matt Moravec 9:15.36 PR IL

47 10 Shea Weilbaker 9:15.75 PR NY

Flagpole wrote:

Not enough credit is being given to Ohio in this thread. (I am assuming a meet with the top 7 from each state).

If you look at returners (at 5k, so this leaves off SOME runners from states that don't run that distance), Ohio has 5 in the top 24 from last year. Only TX is better, and CA only has 2 in the top 24.

Ohio boys would wipe the floor with PA and NY and FL and UT and MS and CO and CA (states others have said are better than Ohio). IL is always tough, and Oregon would do well, but neither of them are guaranteed to beat Ohio boys.

Agreed OH has excellent group of individual boys this year

Mississippi is definitely the most underrated

Lomez_the_real_one wrote:

Mississippi is definitely the most underrated

Nah, that kid who won a state meet in Jordans in Alabama is FL material.

But seriously, why is the lowest classifcation (Single A for most) always so bad?