Caster going for the double!

Double but already has a pair wrote:

Because of the vast difference in muscle mass. .

I see what you did there...

7/10

I am an XX athlete. The last time I checked, XY meant male (Jamie Lee Curtis aside; movies aren't athletics and in Jamie Lee Curtis' case, testosterone levels are clearly relatively lower than the estrogen levels.)

Fence wrote:

Why don't people refer to Caster as a hermaphrodite?

From all the articles I've read she possesses traits of both genders, making her an actual hermaphrodite. Obviously in looking at her and her performances, her biological state has some effect on her appearance and obviously in her physical capabilities. I don't have a problem with that. Be whoever the hell you are. I do however have a problem with her running in the women's category when it is no secret that she's not 100% female. If she ran mediocre performances it would be one thing. She's as dominant as a man running in a women's race, and there's a reason for that. She doesn't belong in women's races and it is sad that these actual women who look like women, sound like women, and have 100% woman parts have to compete against someone clearly more male than female.

TrackCoach wrote:

Just looking at her build and her mostly 400.800 type training, I question her aerobic fitness. I think she might struggle with a 4 minute pace from the gun, but I can see her running a 60 second last lap off of a tactical pace.

That's right coach...she's too big & stocky to win the 1500, doubtful if she'll even medal in that event. She's built like some of those bulky, muscular decathlon athletes. You can get away with being stocky & bulky in the 800, but it becomes a limiting factor in the 1500 on up...nothing new there.

You do realize that CS has already run 4:01 don't you? How many WCs have been won in a time slower than that?

Too Stocky To Win The Day wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

Just looking at her build and her mostly 400.800 type training, I question her aerobic fitness. I think she might struggle with a 4 minute pace from the gun, but I can see her running a 60 second last lap off of a tactical pace.

That's right coach...she's too big & stocky to win the 1500, doubtful if she'll even medal in that event. She's built like some of those bulky, muscular decathlon athletes. You can get away with being stocky & bulky in the 800, but it becomes a limiting factor in the 1500 on up...nothing new there.

I say bravo to her. She's allowed to race so she shouldn't apologize for being the best. Take what you're able to, that's the only way to truly respect the sport. There should never be gifts.

Semenya being in the race will be excellent for the sport. The top women will not want it to be a sit and kick for obvious reason, which means it'll be the type of affair that makes you proud to be a runner. It's going to be fast and it's likely not going to be Semenya that wins, which will inspire a lot of the current women who feel defeated before the gun goes off. Caster is not invincible.

Alactic wrote:

You do realize that CS has already run 4:01 don't you? How many WCs have been won in a time slower than that?

Doesn't matter with WC & Olympic events, as the pace is tactical & slow, so she'll be forced to run slower also. Btw, the 4:01 is actually 4:01.99 which is only 829 all-time fastest:

OTOH, her recent 800 PB of 1:55.27 is 20th all-time fastest! That's where her talent is, she's simply too stocky to be winning the day in the 1500.

DougC wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

This is not at all true.

There was no provision even decades ago, to test testosterone levels and allow somebody to compete if they were under a thresh hold. This was a relatively recent invention.

You are wrong. There has been chromosome testing as far back as the 1980s (decades ago)... There has been T/E ratio testing going back to at least the 1990s (probably earlier)... Remember Mary Decker in 1996?

My point is valid. Mary Decker's T/E ratio in 1996, the Spanish hurdler in in 1986 who "failed" a chromosome test are examples. Semenya wouldn't pass either of those tests.

No. There was no policy in place that would require any woman "decades ago" to take hormones to lower her testosterone level. The requirement was come up with specifically for Semenya.

The fact that they could test for chromosomes or that they could test for T/E ratio (which is entirely different from measuring T) does not change that.

ljhgfghh wrote:

Women should agree to delay 5s at gun, then start racing. Let Caster run Casters race. Alone.

Agree, except they should wait until he's finished 300m.

Plus, he's getting fat. Fat Fvck. Get lost.

The more I think about it the more I like this idea of all the women in the race delaying at the start in a clear and unified protest. This would force the governing and officiating crew to do something. It would send a clear message to Caster and the governing body of Track and Field.

dwm wrote:

The more I think about it the more I like this idea of all the women in the race delaying at the start in a clear and unified protest. This would force the governing and officiating crew to do something. It would send a clear message to Caster and the governing body of Track and Field.

I'm not sure what you think will happen. Firstly, the IAAF, the "governing body of Track and Field," agrees with you. They do not want high-testosterone women racing in women's races. To prevent this, they adopted a series of regulations based on testosterone levels. The Court of Arbitration for Sport (the CAS) suspended these regulations as discriminatory (two years ago, today!). The IAAF has appealed, and has been working to build a case that the higher levels of testosterone give these women an unfair advantage.

It's not clear why the CAS would respond favorably to protests by other runners. From their perspective, these other runners are at best sore losers, at worst bigots. They are like white women who refused to run against black women. Who wants to agree with them?

Presumably you're talking about petite Dibaba who has a MOUSTACHE?

Can't spell semenya without "semen"

Sad news for real female athletes.

A pigment stache does not count. Many women of the color of Dibaba have that feature.

A male who feels he is trapped in a female body and believes his mate is a woman and a lesbian who believes it is normal for her to be attracted to a female mate want to compete in the womens 800 meter run = IAAF rules both have that right.

Time to move on.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

DougC wrote:

You are wrong. There has been chromosome testing as far back as the 1980s (decades ago)... There has been T/E ratio testing going back to at least the 1990s (probably earlier)... Remember Mary Decker in 1996?

My point is valid. Mary Decker's T/E ratio in 1996, the Spanish hurdler in in 1986 who "failed" a chromosome test are examples. Semenya wouldn't pass either of those tests.

No. There was no policy in place that would require any woman "decades ago" to take hormones to lower her testosterone level. The requirement was come up with specifically for Semenya.

The fact that they could test for chromosomes or that they could test for T/E ratio (which is entirely different from measuring T) does not change that.

Starting with the 1968 Olympics every female athlete was required to submit to a chromosomal test before competing in the Olympic Games. In 1967, Ewa Klobukowska was banned for failing the test... Starting in 1999, we no longer use the chromosomal test, but my point stands. We did use it decades ago and Semenya would fail it today.

King George the TX HH hurdler wrote:

A male who feels he is trapped in a female body and believes his mate is a woman and a lesbian who believes it is normal for her to be attracted to a female mate want to compete in the womens 800 meter run = IAAF rules both have that right,

Who exactly are you talking about here? The first does not sound like Semenya.

Also, you do know that the IAAF wanted to keep high t women out of the women's races, don't you?

Looks like the issue is continuing to make the headlines. For women's sport the final decision the CAS makes will be monumental. If hyperandrogenic women and hermaphrodites with, relative to other female athletes, extremely high testosterone levels are allowed to compete, then I wouldn't blame other female athletes, such as Ajee Wilson for example, for taking PEDs.