heyyo wrote:
john utah wrote:I like craft beer, but just because it's craft doesn't make it good. There are lots of beer that is mass produced and is good (in my opinion). I like Coors Banquet. I like Stella. I like Modelo. I would not call any of those low quality.
i would
You have every right to be wrong here. More power to ya.
LaughingOutLoud wrote:
Craft beer is for gay/tranny democrats.
That's true.
Qualityisjob1 wrote:
heyyo wrote:i would
You can, but I don't believe you are assessing quality correctly. And I don't think you understand the brewing process. Cheaper yeast? Do you think Coors buy a bunch of wyeast smack packs for each production run? All large breweries carefully control their yeast stock harvesting and propagating each strain they use. There is nothing cheap about it. Cheaper bettering agents? They may pay less for their hops but that is because they have contracts with the large producers that guarantee that when there is a shortage their operations aren't impacted. The little guys are. And us home brewers feel it the worst. Their grain bill? They use high quality grains and adjuncts appropriate for the style and must have consistency from batch to batch and facility to facility. Are they using the most expensive six row barley they can find? No. But their style doesn't demand that. They may not be conforming to the reinheitsgebot but they don't claim to be (many of the large domestics don't even list all of their ingredients) and neither do most of the craft beers brewed in the US.
The quality control measures employed by the big guys from procurement, brewing, packaging, and distribution are first rate. Each cold filtered MGD will be just as refreshing and tasteless as the next one.
You're confusing standardization, operation efficiency and consistency with quality.
john utah wrote:
John Clendon wrote:No one is talking about liberals or conservatives here. It may be a liberal redneck. You are only looking to start the usual letsrun political d**k measuring contest.
What the poster was talking about is ignorance of some Americans about their beverage choices.
You are clueless on this one.
Heyyo: here are some reasons why mass produced beer isn't as high of quality as craft beer. A, B, C....
John Utah: Tastes good to me!
Some other guy: An interesting contradiction in current rural american values, reinforced by the corporate advertising machine, is advocating for protectionist policies such as closed borders, tarifs on imports, and subsidies (i.e. handouts) for dying industries, while simultaneously having an utter distaste for local craft products.
John Utah: Shut up lib!
Another another guy: What does politics have to do with beer?
John Utah: You are clueless on this one!
Go away...
What an excellent straw man you have created
dissonance wrote:
Redneck: "We don't make nuthin' in 'Merica anymore! We need Trump to bring back err jerbs!"
Me: "Actually, this beer was made right here in town entirely from domestic ingredients, most of which were actually grown within a 10 minute drive of the pub. Every time you buy a pint, you are supporting American labor ranging from agricultural workers to brewers to service people. "
Redneck: "You neck-bearded hipsters are un-'Merican! Get that fancy pants burr outa hur an' bring me a Bud!"
Me: "Umm...okay. Here's your bottle of InBev. Good talking to you, sir."
let's hear the analysis wrote:
Why is there a "bubble" in your opinion?
The bubble comes from adding carbon dioxide.
sdfasdfasdfdf wrote:
You heard it here first.
The expansion has been similar to golf courses in the 1990s. Unsustainable. Expect major contraction shortly.
Carry on.
First, what would constitute the bubble bursting.
Second, I would be more impressed if you gave a time frame. 6 months? 12 months?
Also, how will this bubble bursting affect me? Are there billions of dollars invested and are banks going to fail? Will the government come in to bail them out?
I think that at some point the growth will stop and might even contract.
As almost everyone knows I live in Colorado Springs. I think there are 28 craft breweries in the area (depending on how one defines that term). Most are very small operations with a tap room and brewery in one smallish building. Many are in places with cheap rent (I know a person in commercial real estate who has a pretty good feel for what rents are in each spot).
Almost all of these breweries have opened in the past 3 years (a few before for that and one has been here a while). So far none have closed their doors. The most recent one that I can think of opened about 18 months ago. That is a pretty amazing success rate since something like 80% of small businesses do not make it one year. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/small-business-central/2017/05/21/what-percentage-of-businesses-fail-in-their-first-year/101260716/)
Two more are set to open here in the next few weeks.
But I have to think at some point some will close.
Yes, I am not a fan of some of the craft beers out there. I have been to all the breweries here and several I have no intention of returning to but that is my opinion. Others really like them.
Sours are the new IPA.
john utah wrote:
I like craft beer, but just because it's craft doesn't make it good. There are lots of beer that is mass produced and is good (in my opinion). I like Coors Banquet. I like Stella. I like Modelo. I would not call any of those low quality.
Agree here. I usually always have Coors Banquet stocked in my fridge, and craft brews come and go.
My issue with craft beer is that I am not going to pay $5/tap pour or $10/6 pack of a lager/pilsner type when it is going to taste pretty darn similar to Coors Banquet or Budweiser.
IPAs are completely dependent upon my mood. Fresh Squeezed from Deschutes is phenomenal. I don't understand the competition to make something so hoppy and bitter it is undrinkable.
Stouts/Porters are good, but Guinness usually hits the spot just fine.
I find I usually like just sticking to the imports or Coors. Mexican beers in the summer, Guinness for darker, love German Hefe beers. Heineken even hits the spot every once in a while for a lighter drink.
I don't see the craft scene imploding any time soon though. Craft breweries are always chocked full of people, and when prices are bumping up to $6/beer, that's a pretty solid profit margin (I assume).
In what fantasy world do you live in that a craft beer 6 pack costs $10? Sam Adams maybe? If that's your definition of craft my friend you need to get out and taste the beer.
My issue with craft beer is that I am not going to pay $5/tap pour or $10/6 pack of a lager/pilsner type when it is going to taste pretty darn similar to Coors Banquet or Budweiser.
FightFor15 wrote:
The fact of the matter is that craft beer only accounts for 12% of the beer market. The giant companies still have a monopoly on the industry and have been very good at buying up successful micro breweries and keeping them out of different markets (like anheuser busch with deschutes in STL).
Craft beer has all the room to keep growing with 88% of the market left to eat into. I don't see a bubble about to burst. I think it's more about craft breweries staying independent and not selling out. The bigger companies will buy up a craft brewery in a particular area and try to knock out the craft breweries left there.
What if the beer market on the whole contracts?
Tastes change.
hmMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:
In what fantasy world do you live in that a craft beer 6 pack costs $10? Sam Adams maybe? If that's your definition of craft my friend you need to get out and taste the beer.
My issue with craft beer is that I am not going to pay $5/tap pour or $10/6 pack of a lager/pilsner type when it is going to taste pretty darn similar to Coors Banquet or Budweiser.
Live in the PNW and all the crafts in my town also are in grocery stores for $10-12 for a 6 pack. Where the hell are you living? Or are you buying the very snobby beer that costs over 10 bucks for a 20oz bottle
hmMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:
In what fantasy world do you live in that a craft beer 6 pack costs $10? Sam Adams maybe? If that's your definition of craft my friend you need to get out and taste the beer.
My issue with craft beer is that I am not going to pay $5/tap pour or $10/6 pack of a lager/pilsner type when it is going to taste pretty darn similar to Coors Banquet or Budweiser.
Pretty sure a local brewery I go to sells its beers for $10 a 6 pack. And at least one has won awards at beer festivals.
John Clendon wrote:
I used to think there was a craft brewery bubble waiting to happen. But I heard someone a few weeks ago say that craft breweries are the new neighborhood bar. At least in my small towns in upstate NY, that is pretty much true. No one goes to sports bars anymore, they congregate at the breweries in town.
I've noticed this trend too. Many of the new craft breweries I see popping up are never going to get huge, but they provide a modest income to the owners, and the patrons go there because it's essentially the new neighborhood bar.
I'm not sure if that trend will reverse itself, so it's hard for me to predict if the "bubble" is going to pop.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting. I live in a Boston burb. Trillium 16oz 4 packs are between $15.50 and $22.50
ClonedDuck wrote:
hmMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:In what fantasy world do you live in that a craft beer 6 pack costs $10? Sam Adams maybe? If that's your definition of craft my friend you need to get out and taste the beer.
Live in the PNW and all the crafts in my town also are in grocery stores for $10-12 for a 6 pack. Where the hell are you living? Or are you buying the very snobby beer that costs over 10 bucks for a 20oz bottle
AeroNerd wrote:
John Clendon wrote:I used to think there was a craft brewery bubble waiting to happen. But I heard someone a few weeks ago say that craft breweries are the new neighborhood bar. At least in my small towns in upstate NY, that is pretty much true. No one goes to sports bars anymore, they congregate at the breweries in town.
I've noticed this trend too. Many of the new craft breweries I see popping up are never going to get huge, but they provide a modest income to the owners, and the patrons go there because it's essentially the new neighborhood bar.
I'm not sure if that trend will reverse itself, so it's hard for me to predict if the "bubble" is going to pop.
That's a good way to think about it. I live in a state where you cannot have a straight bar---a certain percentage of your sales have to come from food. Except breweries (and vineyards as well) are exempt from those rules. Closest thing to a bar that we have, actually.
Knacker wrote:
Sours are the new IPA.
ugh (just not my taste)
Mr. Obvious wrote:
AeroNerd wrote:I've noticed this trend too. Many of the new craft breweries I see popping up are never going to get huge, but they provide a modest income to the owners, and the patrons go there because it's essentially the new neighborhood bar.
I'm not sure if that trend will reverse itself, so it's hard for me to predict if the "bubble" is going to pop.
That's a good way to think about it. I live in a state where you cannot have a straight bar---a certain percentage of your sales have to come from food. Except breweries (and vineyards as well) are exempt from those rules. Closest thing to a bar that we have, actually.
The food angle got me looking. From the state of CO
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/enforcement/liquor-frequently-asked-questionsFor brew pubs 15% of gross sales must come from on premises sales. Food trucks take care of that for a lot of places in COS anyway.
ClonedDuck wrote:
hmMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:In what fantasy world do you live in that a craft beer 6 pack costs $10? Sam Adams maybe? If that's your definition of craft my friend you need to get out and taste the beer.
Live in the PNW and all the crafts in my town also are in grocery stores for $10-12 for a 6 pack. Where the hell are you living? Or are you buying the very snobby beer that costs over 10 bucks for a 20oz bottle
4 packs of 16 oz cans of craft beers in new england usually cost between $14 and $22, depending on the brewery. Sam Adams (a macro brew) is $9 for 6 back of cans/bottles. Bud and all the variants is closer to 1 per can.
What with everyone who drinks Coors claiming it tastes good? I've likely drank 100x more coors, bud, miller, natty, beast, busch, genesse, schlitz, old e than most of you. I enjoy a coors banquet or two or dozen at a tailgate, but I'm not so delusional to claim that it tastes the same as a GOOD craft beer, emphasis added. Coors is literally made with corn syrup.
I will acknowledge that not all craft beers are created equal. There are some new brew pubs popping up that are packed to the seams while serving some gross contaminated beer.
Does real vermont maple syrup taste the same as Ms. Butterworth's? Does a mcdonalds quarter pounder taste the same as a hand packed ground beef patty? Does a steak from apple bees taste the same as $60 dry aged rib eye? Sorry I'm not poor and don't want to fill my body with garbage.
Also why is quality associated with snobby? The only snobs are the people who refuse to acknowledge the differences between different types of beers. The rest of us have open minds.
When is the claiming "XYZ bubble is going to pop" bubble going to pop? Talk about a misused term. Is the craft beer industry undergoing major expansion, which will eventually result in a contraction? Yes. Is this the same as a bubble? No. Does anyone care? No.
In sum, you do you and quite criticizing other people's preferences and choices. I'm not criticize you you for PREFERRING coors like you criticize people who prefer a beer from Russian river. I love slamming back some swill beers. I will criticize you and question your intelligence for claiming coors tastes the same as something from deschutes or some other microbrewery. That's moronic.
Beer only exists to cop a buzz and/or get drunk. Those arguing about "taste" and "quality" is a bunch of bs. There is really no difference between McHipster, Bubba and Missy(drinking wine). It's literally chose your poison.