So it looks like Venus Williams (USA, women's tennis) is at fault in causing that fatal car crash earlier this month

Thanks for explaining this better. I didn't realize Venus went into the intersection and was actually stopped there. If someone is stopped in the intersection I don't care if it's green or not, if you run into a stopped car it is 100% your fault, especially if the light just turned green for you.

It's a horrible incident, clearly, but to put the blame on Venus Williams is completely wrong. If you're running into stopped cars it's been a while since you should have stopped driving.

Plain as day wrote:

Euell wrote:

She'll be paying quite a bit of money but the bottom line is it was a mistake. A mistake with very bad consequences but nothing more than a mistake. I feel bad for the family of the man who died and I feel sorry for Venus.

Running a red light where someone is killed is a blatantly avoidable action. Getting the wrong order in your bag at Taco Bell is a mistake. Big difference.

Does Venus work at Taco Bell? I know her tennis career isn't what it used to be, but that is sad. Not only sad that she works at Taco Bell, but that she screws up people's order.

Red Threads wrote:

It's a horrible incident, clearly, but to put the blame on Venus Williams is completely wrong. If you're running into stopped cars it's been a while since you should have stopped driving.

Williams should not have been driving a SUV as those things are just disgusting gas guzzling polluiters. It is just irresponsible or even psychpathic to go around driving one of those things.

In fact Williams should not have been driving a car polluting the environment and causing danger to everyone around in the first place. If she is such an amazing athlete then she should be walking, running, or using a bicycle as her means of personal transportation, it's not as if she is physcially handicapped in any way.

Williams should never have been paid all that money as a tennis player allowing her to buy a SUV car as she is not good enough - as McEnroe pointed out, hundreds of tennis players are better than her and most of those are not paid enough to make any sort of living about the sport.

In the light of this, it is hard to see in what area Williams is NOT at fault for such a sad accident.

Fancie Bares wrote:

McEnroe pointed out, hundreds of tennis players are better than her].

Bro, you realize Venus and Serena are two different people.

And 78 yo die all the time. How do we know he wouldn't have died anyway without the crash?

wejo wrote:

Tragic that this happened.

TMZ link says Venus claims she was going 5 mph in intersection (she pulled out in intersection and got stuck) and then got broadsided by the other car that had a green.

I guess you shouldn't go into the intersection until you have a clear path but we've all done that especially if we're trying to turn right?

It shouldn't be hard for cops to see how fast Venus was driving.

actually it shouldn't be hard to decide the speed the driver (Venus) was at provided that she did step hard on the brake when it happened. The tire mark would give you the information to calculate the speed, in a certain range so to speak.

BTW, have you guys ever heard of how terrible a driver the retired old folks are down in Florida. They are notorious about not stopping for traffic light. Though I don't if this is the case.

I like how here PR group keeps the press releases flowing to gain crowd sentiment. She killed someone in an accident, admitted it at the crash scene.

What we don't know are the details that would have come out in the civil case. She will probably settle rather than go to trial rather than show the true details.

Road kills wrote:

I like how here PR group keeps the press releases flowing to gain crowd sentiment. She killed someone in an accident, admitted it at the crash scene.

What we don't know are the details that would have come out in the civil case. She will probably settle rather than go to trial rather than show the true details.

Did you watch the video? How do you explain the fact that the lady drove right into her? Or do you just hate the Williams sisters that much?

Where is the video? Has it been released to the public?

Trollception wrote:

Where is the video? Has it been released to the public?

It has been linked on LR.

Big thin mike wrote:

Road kills wrote:

I like how here PR group keeps the press releases flowing to gain crowd sentiment. She killed someone in an accident, admitted it at the crash scene.

What we don't know are the details that would have come out in the civil case. She will probably settle rather than go to trial rather than show the true details.

Did you watch the video? How do you explain the fact that the lady drove right into her? Or do you just hate the Williams sisters that much?

Some people have the bizarre idea that if you're in a car, you should just be allowed to put blinders on and plow through anything that happens to be in your path. It is especially strange to me that some runners seem to feel this way.

If I was walking down the sidewalk and someone stepped in front of me, everyone would think I was a psychopath if I was just like "I have the right of way" and ran them over. In the minds of some, that exact mindset becomes perfectly fine if I'm driving a 3,000 lb car instead.

I find it very interesting and not at all surprised to read all the stupid posts on here prior to when the police released the video. Unless you have the same mentality as those who commented on the bike crash, it seems quite obvious that Williams did nothing wrong and that the people and witnesses lied as to what actually happened. As one can plainly see, she was run into as she tried to move through the intersection, which was stalled due to traffic. The driver who crashed into Williams certainly should have waited until traffic cleared out.

As with many intersections in major cities, they were designed before massive traffic and many are not up to date in making it less of a problem making turns, etc. A simple delayed green or an arrow for each side to turn would help greatly. Instead it seems that cars trying to make a left end up sitting in the intersection waiting for opposite traffic to wind down. The city needs to revisit the location and fix the lights there, for sure.

Williams is owed an apology from all the jerks here condemning her based on hearsay evidence that is shown to have been false.

don't drive into people wrote:

Big thin mike wrote:

Did you watch the video? How do you explain the fact that the lady drove right into her? Or do you just hate the Williams sisters that much?

Some people have the bizarre idea that if you're in a car, you should just be allowed to put blinders on and plow through anything that happens to be in your path. It is especially strange to me that some runners seem to feel this way.

If I was walking down the sidewalk and someone stepped in front of me, everyone would think I was a psychopath if I was just like "I have the right of way" and ran them over. In the minds of some, that exact mindset becomes perfectly fine if I'm driving a 3,000 lb car instead.

I agree. You have to look out for yourself because no else will. I always make sure the car passes or I go around it when I'm entering an intersection or driveway while running. If I assumed or felt the driver should have seen me, I'd probably be dead by now.

I moved to south Florida last year. I live about ten minutes from where the accident occurred. After living here for two months, I got a dash cam.

The elderly drivers run red lights, go the wrong way down streets, don't signal and have no clue what your directional signal means, they change lanes with no warning, they stop in the middle of the street with no warning, and I could go on and on.

I don't point blame at anyone without the facts, but it is a mess down here. I drive my elderly relatives around and they say what a good driver I am. All I do is what I did when living up north, but now I am on alert like never before, every second I am behind the wheel.

That may be the case with the elderly drivers, but they drive slowly and the people I see constantly driving dangerously and aggressively are the problems everywhere in Florida that I have driven. Make no mistake, though. Driving is hugely dangerous in Florida. Few people who have lived here for long have escaped a serious accident.

Look at the video. She's not at fault at all, but the drivers around her are absolutely crazy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4676404/New-video-shows-Venus-Williams-car-crash.html

Per this Florida Vehicle Code section she is not at fault, she was in the intersection lawfully and the other should have yielded even if their light was green:

https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/florida/statutes/florida_statutes_316-075

Red Threads wrote:

I didn't realize Venus went into the intersection and was actually stopped there. If someone is stopped in the intersection I don't care if it's green or not, if you run into a stopped car it is 100% your fault, especially if the light just turned green for you.

It's a horrible incident, clearly, but to put the blame on Venus Williams is completely wrong. If you're running into stopped cars it's been a while since you should have stopped driving.

Williams was stopped BEFORE entering the lanes where the accident took place, then when the light changed she rushed to try and cross the rest of the intersection but didn't have time. Williams is 100 percent responsible, and the woman who had the green light is NOT responsible for the actions of Williams.

We need to reform our driver's license process. From the video, it's clear that Venus did nothing wrong, and that the old lady was responsible for her husband's death by driving recklessly. You can't just floor it through a newly green light, you still need to be aware of dangers, and proceed with caution.

We need to start getting old people off the roads. These people drive like they have nothing to lose, have terrible reflexes and can't think fast enough to drive safely. After age 65 there should be a mandatory yearly behind the wheel test. If you're not sharp enough, you should be allowed to drive. Cars are incredibly dangerous machines.