Ingebrigtsen: 3:39 in Stockholm!

PrZ wrote:

dudebod wrote:

3:38 = 3:57

He's slipping backwards lol

Nope. 3:39 = 3:56. Plus this races was run on a windy day. And for the record, 3:38 equates to 3:55, no idea where your numbers came from.

Dudebod is actually correct, just look at the current record 3:26.0 & 3:43.13 that is 17.13. If we assume 100% effort and ceteris paribus, a runner cannot run through 1500m en route to the mile at 100% as they have to be running within themselves or they would not be able to complete the extra 109.34m. So if a runner like El Guerrouj went through the 1500m at 99% which is 3:28ish and then ran the last 109.34m in about 15.2s you get a mile world record of 3:43.13 approximately. So a guy running 3:39 is really about a 3:57 maybe 3:58 miler.

PrZ wrote:

dudebod wrote:

3:38 = 3:57

He's slipping backwards lol

Nope. 3:39 = 3:56. Plus this races was run on a windy day. And for the record, 3:38 equates to 3:55, no idea where your numbers came from.

3:39.92 = 3:57.32 per IAAF

Henrik needed surgery on his hamstring after Eugene, hopes to be able to run XC in December, but probably won't be back in shape until next summer.

Tramsger wrote:

Ben L Wrong wrote:

BTW, Who is the Kenyan kid running consistently 3'40s in Nairobi altitude?

Yeah but he's four or five years older than what is claimed, like most Kenyans.

Unless it's Lagat, then Kenyans lie about being older than they really are.

Dennis T Reynolds wrote:

Tramsger wrote:

Yeah but he's four or five years older than what is claimed, like most Kenyans.

Unless it's Lagat, then Kenyans lie about being older than they really are.

Yet the world can't compete with these very Kenyans who should be in their late thirties according to you lot. Honestly guys, where do think actual Kenyan teenagers are? Because they ought to be running somewhere before they're unleashed on the world juniors at age 25.

El Keniano wrote:

Dennis T Reynolds wrote:

Unless it's Lagat, then Kenyans lie about being older than they really are.

Yet the world can't compete with these very Kenyans who should be in their late thirties according to you lot. Honestly guys, where do think actual Kenyan teenagers are? Because they ought to be running somewhere before they're unleashed on the world juniors at age 25.

POD!

He is posting numbers to EASILY get 4 years of fully supported higher education in the U.S. His English is already impeccable, so he could step right into a major U.S. university education....

George Parrott wrote:

He is posting numbers to EASILY get 4 years of fully supported higher education in the U.S. His English is already impeccable, so he could step right into a major U.S. university education....

Doesn't he already get that at home?

Yet we both were more elite than YOU ever could be!

Back to the topic: just wait and you will see. Being this fast at 16 has NEVER worked out for any elite track runner. His oldest brother already needs surgery and Jakob doesn't even have a stride as smooth as Henriks. This is a train choo chooing towards a long and painful injury road.

artojas wrote:

Being this fast at 16 has NEVER worked out for any elite track runner.

No one has ever been this fast at age 16 so pointless statement.

Yes, they are unleashed on the world, sometimes at World Juniors, in their 20s, and many of them have short careers. You wonder why. Maybe because they had to be near their peak already just to get a shot, among the many, to compete internationally, particularly on the track.

This is a story from Kenya! Don't blame outsiders for the reporting of the disqualification of the Kenyan under-20 football team for age cheating just last year.

http://www.goal.com/en-ke/news/4542/features/2016/04/26/22784282/opinion-kenyas-latest-age-cheating-scam-must-be-the-final

The article writes of a previous banning for age cheating and look at the words:

"About ten years ago, Kenya were banned for two years after fielding over-aged players in an U-17 category tournament.

As it emerged, some members of the team had lied about their ages and forged documents to support their claims. It is something which is slowly affecting our game and I do not need to refer to past events to demonstrate this, just take your time and attend the Kenyan Premier League U-20 tournament.

"There are many players who, on the first look, one can tell that they are more than 25 years, yet they claim to be nineteen or eighteen years!"

Kenyan words, not mine.

I'm waiting for the Imperial system haters to come on here and celebrate that he broke the august 3:40 metric barrier. I thought that metric was so important that everyone cares about it more than the highly irrational 4:00 barrier for the mile??

By the way, this is worth 3:57.5, by the 1.08x conversion factor. So, his 3:56 mile was better. But he was dropped early in this race, getting no drafting help, and it was windy, so this probably indicates further improvement. Get him in a 3:36-38 race and we'll see another big pr. Regardless of his promise, he has taken advantage of his father's and brothers' coaching and their serving as training partners, set a bunch of age group world records (and they are legitimate, unlike the top Kenyan records), and he is only a couple years away from running 3:32-33. Awfully good. I don't know that he has enough speed to run sub 3:30. Maybe 3k-5k will ultimately be his best events.

Did he cross-country ski as a youth?

No Jakob has not focused on xc-skiing.

Henrik was Norwegian champion for 15 years old so the talent is there.

The Ingebrigtsens are from a place in Norway with not a lot of snow.

According to NRK Jakob will race very light this year. He is not in St.Moritz training.

https://www.nrk.no/sport/rett-fra-rekordlop-til-hoydetrening-for-jakob-ingebrigtsen-1.13566738

Was yomif kejelcha? I'd imagine he was faster.

T. Pinot wrote:

Why would you be fine with that? Just a footnote in the junior record books. I guarantee you that Ingebritsen would not be fine with it.

Because 3:34 is faster than I ever ran.

artojas wrote:

Yet we both were more elite than YOU ever could be!

Back to the topic: just wait and you will see. Being this fast at 16 has NEVER worked out for any elite track runner. His oldest brother already needs surgery and Jakob doesn't even have a stride as smooth as Henriks. This is a train choo chooing towards a long and painful injury road.

See Usain Bolt

FWIW: If Ingebrigsten was an American, he would have just completed his junior year in High School. The summer after his junior year, at the age of 17, Jim Ryun ran 3:39.0. Respective birthdays: Jakob 19 Sep, JimR 29 May.

No, he would be a 10th grader.