Harvard Takes Another Hit - From a Coach on Staff

There's this kind of omnipresent problem where D1 athletics are very much results-oriented - even if we'd prefer they not be.

This is likely the first time that people are exposed to a situation where you are judged mainly on how you perform. Especially for Ivy Leaguers where school work wasn't an issue.

I am not degrading her (she has been after all, an Ivy League student at TWO schools, is pretty, and athletic), but what does this mean:

"Lauren B. Kuntz is a Ph.D. student in Earth and Planetary Science, a freshman proctor, and a volunteer coach with Harvard’s Track and Field team."

The first sentence? I have never heard of "Earth Science"? What kind of job would one pursue with an advanced degree in The Science of the Earth?

Does one just aim to be a professor and teach others the Earth and Planetary Sciences, in order to spawn even more professors? Am I way off on this?

There are about a million jobs in the Earth sciences. I think an MIT/Harvard grad will have lots of options.

The Dirty Duck wrote:

There are about a million jobs in the Earth sciences. I think an MIT/Harvard grad will have lots of options.

This chicks an All Gore acolyte. Save the planet, save the track team, wadda pain the arse she's gotta be.

You don't seem to understand. One case in point. An athlete was threatened to be pushed out because she was too injured to run a particular race. She was forced to run by the coaches who also instructed other team members to make sure she ran the race. She was told that she would be off the team if she didn't run. She physically could not. The coaches divided the team. They controlled the girls that they could control. They were angry at any girl whom they couldn't. This is why you hear two opposing viewpoints. Some are scared to speak out against them for fear of losing their place on the team. Some are more easily controlled.

M64 wrote:

You don't seem to understand. One case in point. An athlete was threatened to be pushed out because she was too injured to run a particular race. She was forced to run by the coaches who also instructed other team members to make sure she ran the race. She was told that she would be off the team if she didn't run. She physically could not. The coaches divided the team. They controlled the girls that they could control. They were angry at any girl whom they couldn't. This is why you hear two opposing viewpoints. Some are scared to speak out against them for fear of losing their place on the team. Some are more easily controlled.

So the wholes who speak against are "brave," while the ones who speak in support are "scared." Let's not remove agency from the women who claim they are having positive experiences on the team. I suspect there are serious issues, that stem from both the coaches and the culture.

I completely understand the accusations and they are very serious. I know members of the team who have communicated very different stories. This is not something that will be sorted out with newspaper articles and message board posts. It is unfair to call for drastic action based on single anecdotes, there are clearly two sides to this story. If the serious accusations leveled by various people turn out to supported, I fully support a complete replacement of the coaching staff. There is no place in our sport for those actions or people.

The Overexplainer wrote:

I am not degrading her (she has been after all, an Ivy League student at TWO schools, is pretty, and athletic), but what does this mean:

"Lauren B. Kuntz is a Ph.D. student in Earth and Planetary Science, a freshman proctor, and a volunteer coach with Harvard’s Track and Field team."

The first sentence? I have never heard of "Earth Science"? What kind of job would one pursue with an advanced degree in The Science of the Earth?

Does one just aim to be a professor and teach others the Earth and Planetary Sciences, in order to spawn even more professors? Am I way off on this?

How hard was it to google?

"WELCOME

The Earth and Planetary Sciences field encompasses a broad range of science disciplines and applications to environmental and economic endeavors. EPS students at Harvard are involved in the development and application of new tools and technologies such as space probes and sophisticated instruments, as well as field work in remote and challenging settings. In an unparalleled research environment, Faculty and students are addressing fundamental questions about our world, from prehistoric geological processes to understanding weather patterns."

Harambe wrote:

When there are women on the team giving statements that directly contradict each other then it certainly casts doubt on the extremity of the accusations leveled.

Not at all, it simply supports the narrative of different treatment of different groups of athletes.

M64 wrote:

You don't seem to understand. One case in point. An athlete was threatened to be pushed out because she was too injured to run a particular race. She was forced to run by the coaches who also instructed other team members to make sure she ran the race. She was told that she would be off the team if she didn't run. She physically could not. The coaches divided the team. They controlled the girls that they could control. They were angry at any girl whom they couldn't. This is why you hear two opposing viewpoints. Some are scared to speak out against them for fear of losing their place on the team. Some are more easily controlled.

How does one race while injured to such an extent they can't even run? Or was this a case of asking someone to race who was at risk of getting injured? It seems hard to believe a coach would race an injured athlete, as it's a guaranteed failure, right?

PWD has a history of doing this, going back to his days as a coach at Williams. He raced one of his girls at D3 nationals and she DNF'd when she had no business even attempting to run. She should have been on crutches. Ironically enough, it was the girl on the team that he was dating.

Hard to believe he'd do it, but it seems to be true and that's why so many people are outraged.

its like Comey. The investigation has been done, there will be no public announcement, but the investigators have for sure told those that need to know the outcome. Since you see no "changes," then you can deduce the result.

No amount of talking heads debating it all day will change that.

Harambe wrote:

There's this kind of omnipresent problem where D1 athletics are very much results-oriented - even if we'd prefer they not be.

This is likely the first time that people are exposed to a situation where you are judged mainly on how you perform. Especially for Ivy Leaguers where school work wasn't an issue.

This is right on. This is the first time they aren't the best at something and falling short. Their parents likely bulldozed their way through life and now don't have any confidence to deal with the real world. So they shift blame... Because nothing has ever been their fault.

I'm sure there are problems. The touchy feely flo track video was a red flag. But this comes across as a bunch of spoiled brats who don't know how to cope with criticism.

And whoever said Kuntz is good looking... You gotta get out more!

Good god...if these athletes do succeed in getting rid of the staff, no coach Harvard is going to want to bring aboard is going to want anything to do with this mess...wherever the truth is. You clearly have a coach (or two) that does seem to be encouraging some unhealthy behaviors & could very well be grooming his favorites...but on the other you have some wildly emotional accusations & arguments that are making this come off more like a witch hunt than it needs to be.

DI P5 Coach wrote:

Good god...if these athletes do succeed in getting rid of the staff, no coach Harvard is going to want to bring aboard is going to want anything to do with this mess...wherever the truth is. You clearly have a coach (or two) that does seem to be encouraging some unhealthy behaviors & could very well be grooming his favorites...but on the other you have some wildly emotional accusations & arguments that are making this come off more like a witch hunt than it needs to be.

This is 100% logical. You would have to pay somebody a lot to step into this quagmire. What are the facts?

CashMeOusside wrote:

The Dirty Duck wrote:

There are about a million jobs in the Earth sciences. I think an MIT/Harvard grad will have lots of options.

This chicks an All Gore acolyte. Save the planet, save the track team, wadda pain the arse she's gotta be.

Lauren is the worst, right? She doesn't want unchecked climate change to destroy the earth and she doesn't want students to be treated poorly. People who care about other people are the worst. Also, you managed to spell "Al" wrong. You're amazing.

DI P5 Coach wrote:

Good god...if these athletes do succeed in getting rid of the staff, no coach Harvard is going to want to bring aboard is going to want anything to do with this mess...wherever the truth is. You clearly have a coach (or two) that does seem to be encouraging some unhealthy behaviors & could very well be grooming his favorites...but on the other you have some wildly emotional accusations & arguments that are making this come off more like a witch hunt than it needs to be.

Total BS. The coaches have to go. You're either one of those coaches, a friend or spouse of one or more of those coaches, or someone hired by them in a vain attempt at damage control on this board. Harvard is now dead concerning any future recruiting, until an ethical coaching staff is put in place. End of story.

The Overexplainer wrote:

I am not degrading her (she has been after all, an Ivy League student at TWO schools, is pretty, and athletic), but what does this mean:

"Lauren B. Kuntz is a Ph.D. student in Earth and Planetary Science, a freshman proctor, and a volunteer coach with Harvard’s Track and Field team."

The first sentence? I have never heard of "Earth Science"? What kind of job would one pursue with an advanced degree in The Science of the Earth?

Does one just aim to be a professor and teach others the Earth and Planetary Sciences, in order to spawn even more professors? Am I way off on this?

1. Why did you mention that you think Lauren is "pretty"? What does that have to do with anything?

2. Do you work for the Trump administration? How are you unaware oindustry"clean energy" industry?

This is either a perfectly executed troll or my Case In Point.

Her CV makes my dick hard,

Oh, She's real wrote:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-kuntz-8b86a588