Learn Java or Python?

HardLoper wrote:

Java is used much more in business, but Python would be more useful for hobby/random side projects

More specifically, java is popular in banking/finance back office. Unless that is something you really want to do, stick to python.

The language that you have to know depends on where you want to work.

-You have to work on android, non-Microsoft webservices? You need Java.

-You have to work with apple technologies? You need Objective C

-You have to work with Microsoft technologies? C# is the best choice actually.

-You have to work with 3D and data analysis? Python is a vastly used scripting language here.

-You have to work for intel and in electronic device industry? C, C++ and assembly are needed.

Follow your passions and chose your branch, before choose the language to learn.

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Either will do. Java is the world's most popular programming language and is required for Federal, State, County, and City government bids. Python is the next generation language inspired by Java and is the standard at many laboratories and universities worldwide.

Python is an interpreted, dynamically-typed language with a precise and efficient syntax. Python has a good REPL and new modules can be explored from the REPL with dir() and docstrings. That's one reason to prefer Python over C, C++, or Java.

The Python community invested in the mid-1990s in Numeric, an "extension to Python to support numeric analysis as naturally as [M]atlab does. Numeric later evolved into NumPy. Several years later, the plotting functionality from Matlab was ported to Python with matplotlib. Libraries for scientific computing were built around NumPy and matplotlib and bundled into the SciPy package, which was commercially supported by Enthought. Python's support for Matlab-like array manipulation and plotting is a major reason to prefer it over Perl and Ruby.

Today, the most popular alternatives to Python for data scientists are R, Matlab/Octave, and Mathematica/Sage. In addition to the work mentioned above to port features from Matlab into Python, recent work has ported several popular features from R and Mathematica into Python.

From R, the data frame and associated manipulations (from the plyr and reshape packages) have been implemented by the panda's library. The scikit-learn project [7] presents a common interface to many machine learning algorithms, similar to the caret package in R.

From Mathematica/Sage, the concept of a "notebook" has been implemented with IPython notebooks .I find this article

https://diceus.com/crm-development-effective-algorithms-carrying-projects/

where you can get a lot of useful information on this topic. Hope this helps. Good Luck

Object Extends wrote:

Python is an intepreted language where an expert java programmer with concepts and data structures down pat can walk into python and be like "Oh that's the python way?", "that's a fast one liner!" or "this was so much less code python is nice".

I agree with what you about an expert programmer but it also goes the other way. An expert python programmer or c++ or Swift or any OO language should be able to switch to a language and after reading docs and googling, be able to program. Programming isn’t learning languages but rather learning how to solve problems.

I’d recommend python. It’s easier to learn than java.

Python 3 is 30 year olds generation,

Java is 50 year old generation, worlds most popular programming language, 90% of big servers/cloud

C is 100% of chips/embedded/Linux/Unix/ZFS world

Python is the hobby jogger of programming languages.

Download a linux distro and learn to program C using a text editor and the terminal. You'll hate life, but the concepts and discipline of this method are invaluable, even if you choose to work in an entirely different area of CS.

wanna b coder wrote:

If you had say a month of free time between classes, which one would you rather learn? I do enjoy statistics/data visualization so python seems really appealing, but java seems so widely applicable that it might make sense to try and learn that.

What are everyone's thoughts?

If you are Indian you will be able to get a Java job. Java was actually designed to facilitate bringing a bunch of Indians over to do "factory programming". Virtually all Java jobs are staffed by Indians. Python is used by everyone for serious scientific work and is also used in other areas, it has greater utility than Java.

If this post seems racist, it is. Indians are the most racist people on the planet. They have a caste system within which Indians discriminate against other Indians based on skin color, caste and family name. Indians don't like Americans - they are here to take over. They don't like us and as a result I've grown to dislike them.

F U C K Frisco where the Python inventor lives

Spend a week with each. Then tell me which one you were more productive in at that point.

Disclaimer: I co-wrote the fourth ever book on Python. Never looked back.

eurodonkey wrote:

Spend a week with each. Then tell me which one you were more productive in at that point.

Disclaimer: I co-wrote the fourth ever book on Python. Never looked back.

..although Javascript is where the jobs are and where the action is happening...

By way of background I run a Research Analytics group - so primarily Data Visualization, Statistical Analyses, and some Machine Learning. We do everything in R and Python. I have programmed in C, C++, Perl, C# and I am old enough that some of my first programming was in Pascal.

We use R for any analyses - Python is used for data munging before it is entered into the R environment.

To me, programming is a lot like learning a new language. Learning the first one is hard, but after that it isn't too hard to pick up new ones. The basic approach is the same, just slightly different syntax.

Python is a great first language. It is very versatile and can be applied across a wide variety of applications. It might not always be optimal, but it will get the job done.

In the absence of any other information I would suggest Python. But, as others have said, what do you want to do? The best way to learn a language is to have a goal in mind and then use the language that is best suited for reaching that goal.

I would not recommend R as a first language. Personally, I love it, but the fact that everything in R is a vector makes coding in R a bit idiosyncratic. You almost never use a Loop in R for an example.

make coding great again wrote:

Fortran or GTFO

I know this is meant to be funny, and it is.

It turns out, no one wants to replace the plumbing of decades old, very large scale systems. So, there is demand for Fortran and COBOL programmers.

Old And In The Way wrote:

To me, programming is a lot like learning a new language. Learning the first one is hard, but after that it isn't too hard to pick up new ones. The basic approach is the same, just slightly different syntax.

Python is a great first language. It is very versatile and can be applied across a wide variety of applications. It might not always be optimal, but it will get the job done.

In the absence of any other information I would suggest Python. But, as others have said, what do you want to do? The best way to learn a language is to have a goal in mind and then use the language that is best suited for reaching that goal.

+ a lot. This guy gets it, I have a very different background (also with some vague pascal memories from highschool, but qbasic is really where it was at) - but agree with the main points he made.

OP - are you still around? What, if anything, have you done in the year+ since posting?

In 2018 all the languages are very similar. I think that the most important part, the beauty of the language is presented in existing libraries (for python is - https://webcase.studio/blog/best-python-frameworks/). Any product that you will build will be based on libraries and if you have many options - it's better. Python is quite powerfull and I like it!

Great posts. I was just thinking about this the other day.

About 10 years ago, I used to work in the trading/financial industry as a FIX Protocol specialist. Fix Protocol is a standard financial protocol that is used in the trading world, where trading institutions based their front ends and business strategies off of FIX codes and values. My position was to understand the codes and values, and to troubleshoot and provide solutions to any issues that occurred due to the usage of the codes and values. No programming was involved. The focus was to probe and analyze data.

However, in this day age, the position requires programming ability, either in Python, Java, or C++. My question is, which one should I go with?

Also, I get the Impression that Python is MS Paint compared to Java and C++ being Photoshop and Illustrator.

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