Hahahahahaha... only 1 athlete on thyroid medicine? Are you saying that with a straight face?
NOP defenders out in force! Getting too hot in the kitchen.
Letsrun loves to trash Kara. Find a new hobby.
Hahahahahaha... only 1 athlete on thyroid medicine? Are you saying that with a straight face?
NOP defenders out in force! Getting too hot in the kitchen.
Letsrun loves to trash Kara. Find a new hobby.
Here's my take:
Kara did some of the gray area stuff while at NOP and doesn't feel that is was ok. She has "come clean" with what she did and how the NOP operates. She thinks the way to determine the line between completely noble training and gray area training is whether you would want to hide what you are doing. For example; If you legitimately have asthma and use an inhaler, you won't hesitate to let people know you use an inhaler. If you manipulated the asthma test to get a TUE to use an inhaler, you will want to keep your use of the inhaler a secret.
So Kara, for her part, has quite hiding.
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Yeah, Kara OWES it to us to tell us everything she knows! She should risk the integrity of the investigation, and tell us everything, because it's been 2 years and we want to know!!!
Francis from New Hampshire wrote:
I did not read that and I doubt anyone will either. Find a hobby or something dude.
Simple, brutal, and effective. Full points.
celery wrote:
Here's my take:
Kara did some of the gray area stuff while at NOP and doesn't feel that is was ok. She has "come clean" with what she did and how the NOP operates. She thinks the way to determine the line between completely noble training and gray area training is whether you would want to hide what you are doing. For example; If you legitimately have asthma and use an inhaler, you won't hesitate to let people know you use an inhaler. If you manipulated the asthma test to get a TUE to use an inhaler, you will want to keep your use of the inhaler a secret.
So Kara, for her part, has quite hiding.
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This sounds like the most logical explanation.I wouldn't doubt she dabbled into the gray area of training and eventually said screw this. Wasn't there some TUE nonsense postpartum about medication she was asked to take? I think she said f this, f Nike and Salazar up their a, and move on.
MY SONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
I actually do know for a fact that only 1 NOP athlete is on Thyroid meds and I'm not a defender or a fan. There are more people in Karas family (her/Adam) on Thyroid meds than the NOP right now. Yet Kara is the clean one? Oh boy! Are we having fun Kara?
Park Pier wrote:
Hahahahahaha... only 1 athlete on thyroid medicine? Are you saying that with a straight face?
NOP defenders out in force! Getting too hot in the kitchen.
Letsrun loves to trash Kara. Find a new hobby.
I ran against Alberto and went to running camp with and can say that if he beat you he out trained you. I am sure he does everything within the rules even though some would say he pushes the rules. His philosophy has been training hard gets results and who can argue with this.?
Pier Park wrote:
Facts I know to be true:
1. Kara lied and continues to lie. It's disgraceful.
2. There is only one NOP athlete on thyroid medication.
3. Thyroid medication isn't banned because it doesn't enhance performance.
4. Every time I've had the pleasure to be at a meet where the NOP is racing, it's them (and only them) remaining on the track, sometimes when the lights have been turned off, to continue to outwork everyone else in the world.
You must really be STUPID!
It is the cheating which facilitates this "outworking" everyone else.
Although I was clean when I ran, I knew who the steroid "salesman" was, when he was around BUT I never knew who was clean and who was using. As popular as she was Kara could have eased into the semi-retired Nike icon life like many others but she chose to speak up.
Pier Park wrote:
Facts I know to be true:
4. Every time I've had the pleasure to be at a meet where the NOP is racing, it's them (and only them) remaining on the track, sometimes when the lights have been turned off, to continue to outwork everyone else in the world.
And you're an idiot. Typical of NOP supporters.
celery wrote:
Here's my take:
Kara did some of the gray area stuff while at NOP and doesn't feel that is was ok. She has "come clean" with what she did and how the NOP operates. She thinks the way to determine the line between completely noble training and gray area training is whether you would want to hide what you are doing. For example; If you legitimately have asthma and use an inhaler, you won't hesitate to let people know you use an inhaler. If you manipulated the asthma test to get a TUE to use an inhaler, you will want to keep your use of the inhaler a secret.
So Kara, for her part, has quit hiding.
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Yes that and she thinks Rupp got way more . She was on the grey line and he was way over it (like androgel and what not). Add in that I've heard Alberto sexually harrassed her and she's got plenty of reason to be angry.
Amazing post. If we had a way to like posts, yours would get it although you lost me at the end when you ripped Goucher.. I just don't get how she is self-serving. But you nail the part about how the whole NOP existence coupled with the drug busts of other gropus and govenring body incompetence kills the enjoyment of the sport for many.
I say it all the time to my friends. Galen Rupp should be the greatest story ever for american distance fans - one that I enjoy every single day - but it's one I don't enjoy personally at all.
Even if it's totally legit, it just seems too artificial for many.
Pier Park wrote:
4. Every time I've had the pleasure to be at a meet where the NOP is racing, it's them (and only them) remaining on the track, sometimes when the lights have been turned off, to continue to outwork everyone else in the world.
The fact that they are able to train harder and longer than everyone else would suggest that they are on drugs. I'm pretty sure that's the benefit of PEDs.
Thanks I appreciate that. I don't want the post to be seen only as a rip on Kara Goucher. I put the majority of my observations ahead of it because I wanted to frame it as a need for Kara Boucher or someone else to save our sport by either outing them completely or absolving them completely. Our present struggle is that we have all this distrust and no one to turn to for answers. Kara Goucher acts like she has answers but has left the fans and other athletes in the dark while berating our most successful program.
If they are in the wrong, I, as part of the community, want to know. If they are in the grey area, I, as part of the community, want that exposed and left to the judgement of the fans. I think as it stands Kara Goucher is trying to force this discussion one specific way and needs to be open about why.
Rojo you should have your journalistic license revoked for making this comment -"I just don't get how she is self-serving."
Really dude? You don't get how she gets so much fulfillment from retaining the spotlight, at all costs? Would she really do this if it received no media coverafe? I mean, really?
She must have pictures of you naked with a goat because there is no way anybody can say what you said with a straight face. Her time is over and she can't accept it.
tl;dr 3/10
Salazar will be suspended for what he did. And that suspension will come down fairly soon. Salazar will take the suspension and never speak against Nike, primarily because he owns a pile of Nike stock. His soul was sold long ago.
Athletes that Nike paid to be coached by Salazar had a right to ethical coaching and did not receive it. Did Rupp really ask for an illegal infusion? Or a box of drugs mailed illegally? I doubt it.
I believe that if Rupp supplemented testosterone as a teenager or more recently with micro-doses of testosterone gel, he was convinced at some point his treatment was medically necessary and within the rules. The problem now is he has to stick to the story even if he knows better.
But even if we argue athletes share some blame and should've known better, the twisted diffusion of responsibility here needs to stop at some point.
At best, Nike incentivized Salazar and knowingly aided him in circumventing some rules. And with that. they violated the spirit of the sport. Some folks at Nike need to decide if they want to continue that dysfunctional and unhealthy culture.
Salazar in turn, abused his position of power to exploit athletes and to make them complicit. He may still have a path to redemption but it may not be a path he is interested in.
Shouldn't any message to Kara Goucher start with "Deer Kara Goucher"?
SlowFatMaster wrote:
Shouldn't any message to Kara Goucher start with "Deer Kara Goucher"?
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4383291
My favorite will always be "Camel toe Kara Goucher:"
To the OP, I read 1 sentence of your post before falling asleep. Please provide a tl;dr that is no more than 20 words long.