IOC sweeps positive Jamaican test results under the carpet? Germany's ARD just put out another tv show w focus on Jamaica

I want to give the benefit of doubt to athletes in most cases. That works better there is a comprehensive and rigorous testing system with follow through. If reports like this are true then it's hard to value anything, especially in the sprints.

All sports have a doping problem. Unlike the big team sports, track tries to do something but it's not nearly organized enough.

Before you declare it affirmative action in doping, find out whether they also suppressed clenbuterol positives among athletes from Europe.

Jamaica's sprint domination was clearly based on doping, but I don't know if this old and obvious drug was the reason. Is the IAAF essentially saying a) if you're a big enough star, it doesn't matter (because we're talking about now, not the Diack era), or b) anyone can take Clenbuterol anytime with no fear of sanctions because it COULD be from innocently eating contaminated meat, like Alberto Contador, the TdF cyclist from Spain who could not possibly have cheated, right?

Can you please clarify this argument? This is a report that protocols were not followed when traces of a banned substance were found in tests. As far as I know, that is not the same thing as happened recently with NOP. The ARD/Jamaica story, if true, sounds more like Contador. You may not believe Salazar but it is confusing when you lump stories together without similar facts.As fo Aden, Spanish authorities conducted the raid after consulting IAAF and they found EPO on site in athletes' rooms. That has not been disputed. The question is whether to believe that Aden was not involved. These are drugs on site, not a drug test process question. So in a different way it's also quite distinct from the ARD / Jamaica issue.

rojo wrote:

If someone can find a link to an English version, let me know. I'd like to watch it.

The problem with these type of things is people think it's easy to catch drug cheats or that it's always clear cut. Just because there is a suspicious test doesn't mean you can convict or there is a coverup.

They certainly aren't looking the other way in terms of Jama Aden or Alberto Salazar. They freaking raided Aden's hotel and we don't have any suspensions. So when we hear of suspicious test like apparently was mentioned in this report or was mentioned a few weeks ago with the NOP, we need to realize that the benefit of the doubt always goes to the accused.

The problem is the governing bodies gave us zero reason to trust them for decades.

rojo wrote:

Just because there is a suspicious test doesn't mean you can convict or there is a coverup.

You sound like rekrunner. There wasn't just "a suspicious test", there were many positive tests that were covered up - without any follow up investigation as per WADA rules - by IOC and WADA in 2016.

So much for covering up is a thing of the past.

Hi Casual, how are you?

I've been meaning to ask if you had ever heard that some of these SARMs and Cardarine are perpetually traceable in testing? When I first heard about them (firstly I thought WTF is a SARM as I had been out of the sport for awhile) and when I checked many bodybuilding websites had postings by people worried about getting caught on them.

TrackCoach wrote:

"Of course the Jamaicans are doping, anyone who studies the science of the sport knows that. The Jamaican's are doping simply because they are human beings doing what humans do. People Cheat! There is no way a bunch of athletes from a 3rd world country would pass up the opportunity for incredible fame and money doing something they suspect other athletes are doing and knowing they won't get caught. The Jamaican athletes were assured of not getting caught because they were not subject to an AD program, Jamaica does zero testing." "He said, chances are, the Jamaicans doped heavily during the fall and winter, skipped the indoor season thus avoiding all testing and m

Just to be clear, it's not investigations into past doping that get me so riled up (I fully support them) but the insinuation, so prevalent on this site, that being from the so-called "3rd world" is somewhat an indicator of lack of moral principles, meaning athletes are more susceptible to cheating, and unscrupulous hunger for fame and fortune. This is especially rich given the unsurpassable psychopathy and sociopathy of Lance Armstrong.

Jamasauce wrote:

I wonder how this will be handled. Will this be investigated further or will a lot of effort be put into sweeping this under the carpet?

Jamaica doping good, Russia doping bad?

It is called "geopolitics".

rojo wrote:

OK. I've merged the two threads on the topic into one.

The one others started was entitled, "IOC sweeps positve Jamaican test results under the carpet:

Ours was entiteld, "Germany's ARD Just Put Out Another TV Show: This one focuses on steroids and Jamaican sprinters in 2008."

I think the 1st title should at least include a question mark at the end of it. "IOC sweeps positve Jamaican test results under the carpet?"

It amazes me that people think the concept of it could come from contaminated meat is automatically a lie.

So I'm going to go with a hybrid title of "IOC sweeps positve Jamaican test results under the carpet? Germany's ARD just put out another tv show w focus on Jamaica"

The article says the Jamaican team was careful while in Beijing and had all their food shipped in from Jamaica and had their own chefs prepare it. But what about Bolt claiming he ate nothing but McDonald's chicken nuggets? Where did he get those from? Or was that just a publicity stunt for which he received payment?

Mind-blowing wrote:

Elkiano has to work overtime today. Someone in Kenya is really afraid

Kip Keino running mid 13:20s in 1965, Jipcho 13:14 in 1974, Rono 13:06 in 1981, Kirui 13:02 in 1993 (still slower than Moorcroft's 13:00 from 1982), then all of a sudden the flood gates open, 30 Kenyans are going under 13:00 and some in the 12:40 range. Yeah right!

Nothing suspicious here...

Well I think that famous Italian pasta (aglio e olio) can explain such improvement. However they just forget to take it in Rio... or they maybe were afraid that Brazilians don't like pasta?

Just recently according to Florida boy "best sprinters on planet - Florida, Jamaica and that region" - any HS boy approaching 10s is juiced, and all Jamaicans and their 13, 14 & 15 years old KIDs are dopers. This just proves on that fact, but when already LA is mentioned: "I'm sorry for you that you can't dream big..." I just can dream of time when all those dirty scumbags will be thrown in jail for destroying dreams of honest, clean athletes.

Jama Aden - how was at power on federation at that time? Trace a f@cking money and everything will be clear regarding hotel bust.

Kenya & Ethiopia - remove Italians from down there and see what will happen, but the time of TRUTH WILL come for sure. Just wait.

I'm sure that 90% of people here including rekrunner (acc. to his statistics - everything is clean - no suspicion, no positive testing - so...), will be still thinking of L. Armstrong as the greatest American athlete if he didn't admit doping publicly.

Guys you are so naive, but I like that since that give me a hope that one day we will be living in much better world, unfortunately, that is not a case right now.

Track is pretty anti-white these days.

rojo wrote:

If someone can find a link to an English version, let me know. I'd like to watch it.

The problem with these type of things is people think it's easy to catch drug cheats or that it's always clear cut. Just because there is a suspicious test doesn't mean you can convict or there is a coverup.

They certainly aren't looking the other way in terms of Jama Aden or Alberto Salazar. They freaking raided Aden's hotel and we don't have any suspensions. So when we hear of suspicious test like apparently was mentioned in this report or was mentioned a few weeks ago with the NOP, we need to realize that the benefit of the doubt always goes to the accused.

The problem is the governing bodies gave us zero reason to trust them for decades.

good on you for saying that. but you're going say, this is unbelievable with the next scandal. there is no reforming these groups, any more you can fix a completely rotten apple. letsrun, athletes, and small companies need to band together and go in their own direction. that means dumping the olympics too. dumping the iaaf, dumping wada.

Do you think Bolt is dirty?

Davon wrote:

Do you think Bolt is dirty?

I want to know, too. Because all this really is about him, no one else.

Davon wrote:

Do you think Bolt is dirty?

Could Bolt be on the "Clen"?

He may have an infection now.

It's highly unlikely that Rojo or the Jo bros will speak out about Bolt or Jamaica strongly -- let's not forget that Puma featuring bolt were a wraparound advertiser emblazoning this site.

El Keniano wrote:

kaniahellhole wrote:

lets be honest. kenians have a hard life and as such would do anything to get some money. including robbing, stealing and scam. a bit of doping really is the least bad and unlikely of things

Because such things are completely non-existent in utopian western societies, right? I'd tell you to take a minute to reflect on the offensiveness of your post, but that would be futile. Are you German, by the way?

No, these things exists everywhere. BUT, in Kenya they are amazing runner as and need money to a large degree. That is a dangerous combination.

rojo wrote:

I only remind people to be cautious as the guy we sent to Kenya insists ARD sensationalizes things and practices "yellow journalism." He accused them of basically doctoring videos or editing them in a very sensational way.

I told him, "They helped break the greatest story in 50 years in sports." But he thinks they keep looking for fire even it's just smoke sometimes.

The greatest story in 50 year in sports? Really....?

El Keniano wrote:

It's okay to use your handle for posts like these, trollism. Your views are already widely known. Oh, and I'd personally vex Alfred Kirwa Yego out of retirement, planting a wig on his head, just keep that odious Lindsay Sharpe from ever medalling.

Are you saying you support the three medalist from the womens 800m? What a surprise...Lindsay Sharpe was right.

El Keniano wrote:

Just to be clear, it's not investigations into past doping that get me so riled up (I fully support them) but the insinuation, so prevalent on this site, that being from the so-called "3rd world" is somewhat an indicator of lack of moral principles, meaning athletes are more susceptible to cheating, and unscrupulous hunger for fame and fortune. This is especially rich given the unsurpassable psychopathy and sociopathy of Lance Armstrong.

Again, your emotions and defensive mental state regarding Kenya make you write incredible dumb stuff. Third world nations with poor people will do more for money than people in rich societies. This has nothing to do with what country you are from. Kenya is poor = huge chance for doing criminal shit. Britain isn't not poor = less chance. BUT: theres a chance everywhere, athletes are desperate. If Britain was as poor and underveloped as Kenya = huge chance there as well.