A Team Divided

my logical fallacy bells are going off...

this is not how action works. if no one is convicted in a murder case did the murder still occur?

which (more applicably) reminds of something else that occurs on college campuses "all over the country" to women who are told their claims are invalid - everybody say it with me now: sexual assault! just one of many types of crime that continue to occur despite authority's failure to recognize perpetrators

Are you the real Droody?

X435X wrote:

I am not on the Harvard women's distance team, however I have interacted with their members, former members, and the men's distance team in the past year, and from my experience I can say that the team environment is frightening. There is a lot of tension and fear amongst athletes, and the team is their life. They aren't allowed to do anything besides school and running. Also, do we all remember the workout video from earlier this year (before it was edited), and the threads/posts on this website that were deleted?

Beware of cults. Big. Red. Flag.

Facts Matter wrote:

Do you tell your athletes that if they get sick, it is their own fault, even if they get cancer? Wales-Dinan does.

Let's hear this BS story. Was it skin or lung cancer?

No one on the team got cancer, internet tough guy BS charger. Wales-Dinan told the team that no one on the team was allowed to get sick before a meet. If they did, it was their own fault. He thinks individuals who get sick are always at fault. An athlete asked him, What if someone gets cancer? And he said it was probably their own fault because they lived in a polluted area. Because he is a dick and an idiot. When the kid told him that was ridiculous, he threw her out of the meeting.

Thanks for providing the chance to fill in the details.

Facts Matter wrote:

No one on the team got cancer, internet tough guy BS charger. Wales-Dinan told the team that no one on the team was allowed to get sick before a meet. If they did, it was their own fault. He thinks individuals who get sick are always at fault. An athlete asked him, What if someone gets cancer? And he said it was probably their own fault because they lived in a polluted area. Because he is a dick and an idiot. When the kid told him that was ridiculous, he threw her out of the meeting.

Thanks for providing the chance to fill in the details.

So some smartass who is worried about the new leadership tone pipes up and he quips back? This is making me more on his side. Same with the weak "practice outlasting dining hall hours" cry. Seriously you listed that as some sort of shot against a coach? How the heck are you going to have the toughness to lead a team with that kind of mentality, that the dining hall time supersedes practice?

broshel wrote:

So some smartass who is worried about the new leadership tone pipes up and he quips back? This is making me more on his side. Same with the weak "practice outlasting dining hall hours" cry. Seriously you listed that as some sort of shot against a coach? How the heck are you going to have the toughness to lead a team with that kind of mentality, that the dining hall time supersedes practice?

Why are you even posting?

Many of the girls suffered from insufficient calorie intake, as a result experiencing injury and hormone insufficiency. They had to receive medical treatment from a specialist. Since you are frequenting a running forum, I am sure you understand the importance of sufficient calorie intake for runners. Right? If a coach does not allow his student athletes to get to the dining hall before it closes, they will not be able to eat properly and they are prone to injury.

I did not say that "the dining hall should supersede practice". But athletes certainly need to eat enough.

Why do you think it shows "toughness" to deprive your athletes of food?? And why are you being so mean? Because you are on the internet? Because they are women? I sure hope you are not a coach or in any position of authority over young athletes.

Facts Matter wrote:

No one on the team got cancer, internet tough guy BS charger. Wales-Dinan told the team that no one on the team was allowed to get sick before a meet. If they did, it was their own fault. He thinks individuals who get sick are always at fault. An athlete asked him, What if someone gets cancer? And he said it was probably their own fault because they lived in a polluted area. Because he is a dick and an idiot. When the kid told him that was ridiculous, he threw her out of the meeting.

Thanks for providing the chance to fill in the details.

Let us see:

Coach asks the team to be careful with cleanliness and not put yourself in a position to waste all that hard work. >> Coach is mean!

Coach responds to an idiotic question with a sarcastic response. >> Coach is mean!

Why should anybody suffer fools?

really cmon guys wrote:

To all these Letsrun posters who have never even been in a mile radius of the harvard team and coach: how dare you call these girls whiners when you have no idea what is really going on. You read one article and now you're the expert on how this guy coaches? I hate this website sometimes.

lol at you on the internet.

three four five wrote:

really cmon guys wrote:

To all these Letsrun posters who have never even been in a mile radius of the harvard team and coach: how dare you call these girls whiners when you have no idea what is really going on. You read one article and now you're the expert on how this guy coaches? I hate this website sometimes.

lol at you on the internet.

Or we stand up for coaches seeming being character-assinated anonymously and with no real allegations? Due process is something we should strive for even outside of legal areas.

i came from a school where the athletes also raised complaints against the coach because they couldn't handle being talked to like they weren't "number one". it's bullshit. that harvard team has to man up.

You can't make a winning team without breaking some snowflakes.

jdsfajdgsf wrote:

broshel wrote:

So some smartass who is worried about the new leadership tone pipes up and he quips back? This is making me more on his side. Same with the weak "practice outlasting dining hall hours" cry. Seriously you listed that as some sort of shot against a coach? How the heck are you going to have the toughness to lead a team with that kind of mentality, that the dining hall time supersedes practice?

Why are you even posting?

Because I'm a person who follows running.

Facts Matter wrote:

Many of the girls suffered from insufficient calorie intake, as a result experiencing injury and hormone insufficiency. They had to receive medical treatment from a specialist. Since you are frequenting a running forum, I am sure you understand the importance of sufficient calorie intake for runners. Right? If a coach does not allow his student athletes to get to the dining hall before it closes, they will not be able to eat properly and they are prone to injury.

I did not say that "the dining hall should supersede practice". But athletes certainly need to eat enough.

Why do you think it shows "toughness" to deprive your athletes of food?? And why are you being so mean? Because you are on the internet? Because they are women? I sure hope you are not a coach or in any position of authority over young athletes.

They can only get sufficient calories at the dining hall? I didn't go to Harvard but I would think the kids who get into school there could feed themselves and wipe themselves. Maybe it isn't the institution I thought it was.

Never said it showed toughness to deprive athletes of food. You are projecting. They shouldn't be prioritizing dining hall time over practice, which seems to be what this evil coach is saying.

How am I being any more mean than you?

Facts Matter wrote:

There is no "satisfaction" involved. This coach damaged many young women, mentally and physically.

No one except an internet troll who likes to be clever online about strangers could take any satisfaction in any of this awful situation. I don't.

The "smart and competent people of Harvard" have not announced any investigation results or taken any action.

As for cross country results, sure they won last year. Should have specifically referenced track results.

Newsflash....YOU'RE ALSO the anonymous stranger on here smearing hate around. I hope you get what you came here for.

No close reading taught while you were at Harvard? I wrote that I don't take any satisfaction in any of this, as someone suggested. As for "smearing hate around", maybe. If you mean speaking the truth as I know it, yeah I guess so. Guilty.

Facts Matter wrote:

You have no idea what you're talking about folks.

First, the Crimson is wrong about Wales-Dinan being a "winning" coach. Harvard womens track wins titles because of the sprinters, not because of the distance teams. Their performance is generally abysmal. Look up the distance performance.

Yep. As I said in an earlier post, I should have been clear that I was referring to track performance. Try and keep up.

As for XC, it was a great win. They went to Nationals. And here is what Harvard Track and Field had to say about their making it to Nationais in a tweet that they wisely deleted:

"Very poor run results in a 26th place finish for the ladies. They'll be back. Congrats to@Penn Track on a great run today".

Hey thanks Coach. Great motivator.

I'm done with posting on this, you will be glad to hear. People are gonna believe whatever they want. You can go back to fantasizing about what is really going on at Harvard and blaming the athletes for the toxic environment the adults have created and Harvard Athletics has enabled. It is way past time for Harvard to announce their findings so everyone involved can get on with their lives.