Agip, would you have let the Irish and Italians in this country 100+ years ago?
Agip, would you have let the Irish and Italians in this country 100+ years ago?
DiscoGary wrote:
I agree completely with Ricing about the trickle versus flood aspect of immigration.
Hey, you're finally starting to understand the world!
DiscoGary wrote:
But in our current environment where even our own kids are taught that white Christians of European descent are the cause of every problem in the world, that every other group of people are perpetual victims, and that some form of punishment or compensation needs to be dealt out indefinitely to right all of history's wrongs... well, it makes no sense at all to bring ANTONE else in the country because all it will do is feed the growing animus between the villains ( who have done nothing wrong) and the victims ( who have not been wronged).
*sigh*
...nevermind
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
1,000 randomly selected Koreans are likely to be more educated and have better professional experience than 1,000 randomly selected Guatemalans. Select 1000 Koreans with degrees from US colleges and 1000 Guatemalans with degrees from US colleges, with equal age, equal distribution among majors and equal job experiences. The differences will disappear.
I doubt it. You don't have a source for that, do you? I bet a community of 1,000 Koreans without a formal college education would still do quite well.
DiscoGary wrote:
Oh please... wrote:If it was random, they might actually have similar success/failure rates. The problem is that they aren't random. Koreans that come here have money, education, etc. They have to have enough money to get there. They have a huge advantage before they even arrive. They're not peasants and farmers, which is effectively what the Guatemalans are. The Guatemalans are walking here, with nothing.
So you're saying we should let walking Guatemalans come into the country illegally, while educated Koreans have to go to the end of the immigration line and hope for an H1-B?
Wouldn't it make more sense to reverse that?
I said nothing of the sort, are you illiterate?
Oh please... wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:So you're saying we should let walking Guatemalans come into the country illegally, while educated Koreans have to go to the end of the immigration line and hope for an H1-B?
Wouldn't it make more sense to reverse that?
I said nothing of the sort, are you illiterate?
OK. I'll try again. So your saying that we should put every immigrant through the H1-B wringer, which would probably let in a lot of Koreans, and almost no Guatemalans? No?
If that's not it then what are you saying as it relates to immigration policies for these two countries.
a little more generous wrote:
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:1,000 randomly selected Koreans are likely to be more educated and have better professional experience than 1,000 randomly selected Guatemalans. Select 1000 Koreans with degrees from US colleges and 1000 Guatemalans with degrees from US colleges, with equal age, equal distribution among majors and equal job experiences. The differences will disappear.
I doubt it. You don't have a source for that, do you? I bet a community of 1,000 Koreans without a formal college education would still do quite well.
yeah - my money is on the Koreans even both groups had the same education.
take a look at IQ ratings country by country - stunning stuff and hey ho they match up with national income. Imagine that.
But the better point is that you won't find large numbers of Guatemalans with education and good family habits - while you can find millions of Koreans like that.
Let's bring in the Koreans, Chinese, Indians - subsidize them, welcome them. We'll all be much much better off with more of them.
Coach wrote:
Agip, would you have let the Irish and Italians in this country 100+ years ago?
sure
back then education matttered much less. No English, no education, no skill? You get a job at the factory and start moving up the ladder. Kids go to high school and maybe college. American dream.
that path to American success is much narrower now as wages for unskilled labor have fallen. Very hard to prevent an underclass from forming if we let in millions of people from areas with no tradition of higher education, discipline and striving.
we need more people in this country - let's go find the ones who will send their kids to college. We'll find many more of them in Bangalore and Seoul, not Guatemala City.
a little more generous wrote:
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:1,000 randomly selected Koreans are likely to be more educated and have better professional experience than 1,000 randomly selected Guatemalans. Select 1000 Koreans with degrees from US colleges and 1000 Guatemalans with degrees from US colleges, with equal age, equal distribution among majors and equal job experiences. The differences will disappear.
I doubt it. You don't have a source for that, do you? I bet a community of 1,000 Koreans without a formal college education would still do quite well.
Koreans (under age 50 or so) without college education are probably too dumb to be accept to college, or did not value education enough. Neither trait seems to be particularly desirable as immigrants.
agip wrote:
we need more people in this country - let's go find the ones who will send their kids to college. We'll find many more of them in Bangalore and Seoul, not Guatemala City.
If we base our decision on education and job experiences, we will get more from Bangalore and Seoul than from Guatemala City. (Just look at the country-of-origin statistics of H-1B.) So there is no need to see their national origin.
On the contrary, basing our decision on national origin will allow people from India, Korea (or whatever other countries) who do not value education and who lack discipline and striving to come in. Why would we want to have those people here?
This is not true. Sweden has no crime wave or anything like that.
Somehow you think only America has this utopian society. It's not true. In fact America is higher in crime than most countries the immigrants are coming from.
Merkel wrote:
Somehow you think only America has this utopian society. It's not true. In fact America is higher in crime than most countries the immigrants are coming from.
complicated because US crime stats are so skewed by our African American population, which is off the charts crimeful.
In other words, if you are not African American, crime levels in America are quite low. If you are AA, then crime is a big problem for you.
But even if you count AA's, there is more crime in Mexico and Philipines than the US - those are the top two immigrant sources for the US. China is #3, and we are more violent than China.
I mean I hear you and you may be right - but I think it's much more
complicated than you suggest, because of the massive skew from AAs in America.
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Don't believe the hype.