Do you plan to get euthanized / doctor assisted suicide?

Trump is that you? You have so much to live for. You have so many more wives to have!!! You have so many other races to hate

Wise One wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

How do you know whether you'll want it until it's time? The vast majority of people who order the assisted suicide procedure here in WA don't end up using or wanting it. Most prefer pot and other painkillers.

Because we have brains and can plan for the future.

Wise One wrote:

I don't have any want of living to an old age where I can't even run. If assisted suicide was more commonly accepted and the Christians don't terrorize the doctors for it, a lot more people would choose it.

You are frightened of the future. I'll be praying that you'll be delivered from your fear so that you can appreciate your life in all it's twists and turns and not have to plan how to end it.

Mother Teresa > Jack Kevorkian wrote:

Wise One wrote:

Because we have brains and can plan for the future.

Which is something those cockroaches you mentioned can't do.

Wise One wrote:

I don't have any want of living to an old age where I can't even run. If assisted suicide was more commonly accepted and the Christians don't terrorize the doctors for it, a lot more people would choose it.

You are frightened of the future. I'll be praying that you'll be delivered from your fear so that you can appreciate your life in all it's twists and turns and not have to plan how to end it.

What makes people different than cockroaches other than we step on them? Insects very likely have consciousness:

Of course I have to worry about the future since there is no "God" or gods. Not that "God" does anything.

Wise One wrote:

Let's make this simple wrote:

First off to the OP, we do not have control on how we are going to die naturally/tragically/disease state or in general unless you choose to die voluntarily then different story. With that said, I would want my life ended if there was no possible way of living. Does that make sense?

So you only want to end your life of they can't keep you hooked up to life support? What about senility?

No, I meant I would have my life ended if I didn't seek out ALL possibilities of living. Whether it be life support temporary or natural causes or decline of mental health such as senility.

The hemlock society could help you

Yes if I get to a point where I can't walk anymore. If that happens then life is over. Stubbornly staying alive while needing other people to take care of me doesn't sound appealing.

TAA wrote:

Yes if I get to a point where I can't walk anymore. If that happens then life is over. Stubbornly staying alive while needing other people to take care of me doesn't sound appealing.

Do you guys realize that assisted suicide is a crime in the US?

rcubed wrote:

Doesn't take a doctor to take a handful of oxy and drink jack Daniels

I took shots of rum and then vodka when the rum ran out with vicodin when my surgery was delay for a week or two because my surgeon threw his back out. It was minor outpatient surgery for a very painful condition. After the surgery the doctor doubled the dosage and I still had to drink shots one more day once the morphine from the surgery wore off. I am still pissed off the doctor let me suffer before the surgery. I had difficulty even getting the new prescription to get me to the new surgery date. The move to reducing pain care due to fear of causing abuse worries me.

I took care of one parent for just under 2 weeks of at home hospice care while dying of pancreatic cancer. This parent had survived two previous cases of brain cancer. This parent went from just having difficulty walking at night to being unable to do anything including not being able to speak for the last roughly 4 days. All this parent could do was moan when needing to be moved in bed, urinate, or requiring more oral liquid morphine. I still hope I provided enough liquid morphine. At least hospice allows family care givers the pain killers that are required. My other parent and I provided care during that time and were lucky to get 4 hours of sleep at a time. We all sleep in the living room where the hospital bed was located. My healthy parent and I slept on couches so we wake up if we were needed. Hospice nurses and others came to the house to help but only stayed the last night at our request.

Now my other parent has early stages of Parkinson's. I am afraid my other parent will suffer and linger much longer with Parkinson's.

If I am terminal I sometimes hope that I will at least have the option of getting a hold of the bottle of liquid morphine myself if my caregivers are not providing enough. I am not saying I plan to OD but I can't believe it would not go through many peoples minds if they are terminal, in pain, and there is no hope of any improvement of quality of life.

Are you taliking about a "patient" or a " parent" in your reply? Big difference...

Wise One wrote:

How do you plan to die? Are you going to get euthanized/doctor assisted suicide? Or do you just plan on being a hollow shell of yourself and die of senility?

I think it is reasonable to fear that a so-called right-to-die will become a duty-to-die given the costs of health care for the final few years of life for those who die naturally in the Western world. There have already been minors that have been euthanized and fairly young adults have resorted to physician assisted suicide for maladies such a blindness.

Wise One wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

How do you know whether you'll want it until it's time? The vast majority of people who order the assisted suicide procedure here in WA don't end up using or wanting it. Most prefer pot and other painkillers.

Because we have brains and can plan for the future. I don't have any want of living to an old age where I can't even run. If assisted suicide was more commonly accepted and the Christians don't terrorize the doctors for it, a lot more people would choose it.

Yeah, those terrorist Christians make me cower. Would that they were more like those heroic folks at Marie Stopes or Planned Parenthood and their ilk that kill millions of innocent human beings annually in the name of "health care," "freedom" and "choice."

Sarchasm wrote:

Wise One wrote:

Because we have brains and can plan for the future. I don't have any want of living to an old age where I can't even run. If assisted suicide was more commonly accepted and the Christians don't terrorize the doctors for it, a lot more people would choose it.

Yeah, those terrorist Christians make me cower. Would that they were more like those heroic folks at Marie Stopes or Planned Parenthood and their ilk that kill millions of innocent human beings annually in the name of "health care," "freedom" and "choice."

Those Christians have bombed doctor offices. Those Christians are terrorists. You would have fewer abortions if you Christians just used condoms.

Wise One wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

How do you know whether you'll want it until it's time? The vast majority of people who order the assisted suicide procedure here in WA don't end up using or wanting it. Most prefer pot and other painkillers.

Because we have brains and can plan for the future. I don't have any want of living to an old age where I can't even run. If assisted suicide was more commonly accepted and the Christians don't terrorize the doctors for it, a lot more people would choose it.

Are you unaware, Einstein, that some old folks in Belgium and locales with similar laws regarding euthanasia do not present themselves for health care for fear of being illed against their will? How ironic: laws passed in the name of alleviating suffering that cause such fear that people prefer to leave their illnesses untreated rather than risk being killed.

Wise One wrote:

Sarchasm wrote:

Yeah, those terrorist Christians make me cower. Would that they were more like those heroic folks at Marie Stopes or Planned Parenthood and their ilk that kill millions of innocent human beings annually in the name of "health care," "freedom" and "choice."

Those Christians have bombed doctor offices. Those Christians are terrorists. You would have fewer abortions if you Christians just used condoms.

Prove it: In the early 1960s, the out of-wedlock birth rate in the USA was about 5-7% and direct abortion was rare. Then the sexual revolution, fueled largely by the emergence of "the Pill" and similar drugs, devices, and interventions, occurred in the late 1960s and 1970s. Now the out-of-wedlock birth rate is about 41% and direct abortion is widespread.

Yes, other things changed, but these drugs, devices and interventions have failed to prove themselves as the panacea their proponents claimed they would be. Yet you, Wise Ass, and they still call for them.

-0997p wrote:

Wise One wrote:

Those Christians have bombed doctor offices. Those Christians are terrorists. You would have fewer abortions if you Christians just used condoms.

Prove it: In the early 1960s, the out of-wedlock birth rate in the USA was about 5-7% and direct abortion was rare. Then the sexual revolution, fueled largely by the emergence of "the Pill" and similar drugs, devices, and interventions, occurred in the late 1960s and 1970s. Now the out-of-wedlock birth rate is about 41% and direct abortion is widespread.

Yes, other things changed, but these drugs, devices and interventions have failed to prove themselves as the panacea their proponents claimed they would be. Yet you, Wise Ass, and they still call for them.

And HIV/AIDS wreaked such devastation that it was not just an epidemic but often termed a pandemic. And so many of the folks advocating artificial contraceptives back in the late 1960s said such devices would reduce STDs.

-0997p wrote:

Prove it: In the early 1960s, the out of-wedlock birth rate in the USA was about 5-7% and direct abortion was rare. Then the sexual revolution, fueled largely by the emergence of "the Pill" and similar drugs, devices, and interventions, occurred in the late 1960s and 1970s. Now the out-of-wedlock birth rate is about 41% and direct abortion is widespread.

Yes, other things changed, but these drugs, devices and interventions have failed to prove themselves as the panacea their proponents claimed they would be. Yet you, Wise Ass, and they still call for them.

What are you asking me to prove??? That Christians bomb doctor offices? You just seem to be rambling a sermon. This isn't church.

-0997p wrote:

Wise One wrote:

Because we have brains and can plan for the future. I don't have any want of living to an old age where I can't even run. If assisted suicide was more commonly accepted and the Christians don't terrorize the doctors for it, a lot more people would choose it.

Are you unaware, Einstein, that some old folks in Belgium and locales with similar laws regarding euthanasia do not present themselves for health care for fear of being illed against their will? How ironic: laws passed in the name of alleviating suffering that cause such fear that people prefer to leave their illnesses untreated rather than risk being killed.

Sounds like a Bible myth.

Wise One wrote:

-0997p wrote:

Are you unaware, Einstein, that some old folks in Belgium and locales with similar laws regarding euthanasia do not present themselves for health care for fear of being illed against their will? How ironic: laws passed in the name of alleviating suffering that cause such fear that people prefer to leave their illnesses untreated rather than risk being killed.

Sounds like a Bible myth.

Perhaps a "myth" in the sense of a genre, such as an etiological myth. "Etiology," by the way, is often used to refer to the origin of a disease. Thanks for making that connection.

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Definition of etiology

plural etiologies

1: cause, origin; specifically : the cause of a disease or abnormal condition

2: a branch of knowledge concerned with causes; specifically : a branch of medical science concerned with the causes and origins of diseases

From Wikipedia: An etiological myth, or origin myth, is a myth intended to explain the origins of cult practices, natural phenomena, proper names and the like.

Wise One wrote:

-0997p wrote:

Prove it: In the early 1960s, the out of-wedlock birth rate in the USA was about 5-7% and direct abortion was rare. Then the sexual revolution, fueled largely by the emergence of "the Pill" and similar drugs, devices, and interventions, occurred in the late 1960s and 1970s. Now the out-of-wedlock birth rate is about 41% and direct abortion is widespread.

Yes, other things changed, but these drugs, devices and interventions have failed to prove themselves as the panacea their proponents claimed they would be. Yet you, Wise Ass, and they still call for them.

What are you asking me to prove??? That Christians bomb doctor offices? You just seem to be rambling a sermon. This isn't church.

Oh, please. You still haven't even attempted to make a proof beyond your mere assertion that condoms would reduce abortions, whereas I provided evidence to the contrary. You seem to be rambling without even enough organization to qualify as a sermon.

And don't get me started on the number of illegal abortions that abortionists perform. Or the infanticide they commit (Dr. Gosnell, e.g.).