Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Trollminator wrote:

I think this thread should stay up until the conclusion senate trial.

Any predictions on how many Rs will vote to convict? Right now I'd say 7. Mitch is pushing it back hoping the sense of urgency to hang him will drop. The main Dem argument will be to prevent trump from ever holding office again. Rs will simply claim the whole trial is a waste of time, not necessary nor legal and will use the usual whataboutisms (but antifa!).

Preventing Trump from running again is not an argument. The case against him will be that he provoked an attack on the U.S. Capitol and the evidence is overwhelming.

The only out for Republicans will be that convicting him will be too disruptive and since votes are at the Senator's descretion, they don't need to provide some bullsh*t assessment of the evidence. Claiming the trial is a waste of time or using whataboutisms, is not a defense.

The logical thing for Republicans is to banish Trump from the Republican Party. They can't let a group of uninformed people dictate their policies.

Trump wants to be a POTUS giving speeches in front of thousands of adoring fans and will have little interest in being some kind of behind the scenes, political power broker. Without twitter, Trump won't be able to communicate with his base directly and I don't know what his message could possibly be. Promises from someone that will never be POTUS again will ring hollow and there won't be anymore cool chants. I also believe it will gradually sink in to many of Trump's fans that he is a loser that let them down.

Trump found a legitimate attorney to defend him but this is what Alan Dershowitz said:

"This is political theater and I am neither a politician or an actor. I don’t see a role for me as a lawyer,”

It is all about winter.

The #1 fact why cases are down in winter is because it is cold outside and people hide more at home. They will start coming outdoors in a few months. The trends will be the same as last year's; slow to infect and more transmittable with more people out and about. COVID cases are not dropping because it is suddenly less contagious.

how do you explain the shape of the curve?

If you think summer is bad for virus...that's not how this has gone.

The virus was bad in March and April, then much much better through the warm months, then got worse in the cold months. The opposite of what your theory suggests.

You can claim coincidence, I suppose, but that's a cheap way out.

And SoCal doesn't have any cold weather but they are the hardest hit right now. THe opposite of your thesis.

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I think this thread should stay up until the conclusion senate trial.

Any predictions on how many Rs will vote to convict? Right now I'd say 7. Mitch is pushing it back hoping the sense of urgency to hang him will drop. The main Dem argument will be to prevent trump from ever holding office again. Rs will simply claim the whole trial is a waste of time, not necessary nor legal and will use the usual whataboutisms (but antifa!).

I'll go with 5.

The R plan is to say that the trial is unconstitutional and brush it off without consideration that way.

some say that if Mitch votes to convict then trump will be convicted.

It's very hard to predict. But I believe it's possible we could see more than 17 R's vote guilty and we could get a full conviction.

You have to remember. We haven't seen all the evidence. We haven't heard the witnesses. If we have evidence and testimony that ties Trump even more directly to the capitol riot then conviction becomes likely.

Even if someone just testifies that Trump merely knew the riots might happen then we could get a conviction. Because if Trump knew the danger then he had a responsibility to try to stop it.

Juxtapose that testimony with his words on the morning of the 6th and it becomes very hard to vote "not guilty".

There will also be testimony about him being initially elated about the protestors entering the Capitol and more detail about how he didn't want to request that his people leave the building. I don't know if Tuberville will lie regarding what was discussed during his 10-minute phone call with Trump after the building had been cleared.

agip wrote:

how do you explain the shape of the curve?

If you think summer is bad for virus...that's not how this has gone.

I said nothing about summer. Summer starts in mid-June. Two months from now starts the Spring. COVID takes several weeks or so to do its work. If you think people behave in winter the same way they do in winter there is nothing I can do for you except recommend that you come out of the basement more often.

The U.S. 7-day average peak occurred on Jan. 10th. Two-weeks before has what significance? People forcing themselves out of home to socialize during the holidays? Hmmm.....

agip wrote:

It's ambiguous. Sure he wanted to ban muslims. But he didn't. Hard to call something a muslim ban when it it no way banned muslims.

There was nothing ambiguous about what Trump wanted. He said he wanted to ban Muslims and he put it in the simplest terms possible.

Executive Order 13769 was the first step in achieving his goal of a full Muslim ban.

You don't want to call it a Muslim ban because you want to appear to be fair. But you are just playing the word games that the right is using to ease their consciences.

The policy was for a Muslim ban. The EO's were the implementation of the Muslim ban policy. It was all part of the Muslim ban and we need to call it what it was.

Trump also had a policy to kidnap children at the border. We should not soften the language on that one either. Kidnapping was the stated policy and we need to call it what it was.

Yep. That's another line of inquiry that could be very damning.

The evidence matters here and we don't have all the evidence yet.

Trump's defense approach is to claim the insurrection was necessary because the election was stolen and voter fraud.

"Bowers will use his position on Trump’s defense team to amplify the ex-president’s baseless voter fraud allegations."

Good job. Cases only went up 30% since you last predicted we were at the peak.

first alert wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

There will also be testimony about him being initially elated about the protestors entering the Capitol and more detail about how he didn't want to request that his people leave the building. I don't know if Tuberville will lie regarding what was discussed during his 10-minute phone call with Trump after the building had been cleared.

Trump's defense approach is to claim the insurrection was necessary because the election was stolen and voter fraud.

"Bowers will use his position on Trump’s defense team to amplify the ex-president’s baseless voter fraud allegations."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/trump-impeachment-attorney-461240

It's gonna be a good indicator for the level of real partisanship remaining in Congress. If they can't come together over this and agree it was a step too far then we're still in trouble

Spin starting in 3...2...1...

first alert wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

There will also be testimony about him being initially elated about the protestors entering the Capitol and more detail about how he didn't want to request that his people leave the building. I don't know if Tuberville will lie regarding what was discussed during his 10-minute phone call with Trump after the building had been cleared.

Trump's defense approach is to claim the insurrection was necessary because the election was stolen and voter fraud.

"Bowers will use his position on Trump’s defense team to amplify the ex-president’s baseless voter fraud allegations."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/trump-impeachment-attorney-461240

That's an awful argument to make and it's why it's been so hard for Trump to find an attorney to represent him. There will be testimony that Trump was repeatedly told that there was no wide spread fraud in the election, but chose to listen to lunatics like Giuliani instead. Even Barr told him there was no evidence to support his claims. Trump's stated belief that the presidency was still up for grabs on 1/6, was demonstrably false and is what caused the riot.

first alert wrote:

Trump's defense approach is to claim the insurrection was necessary because the election was stolen and voter fraud.

"Bowers will use his position on Trump’s defense team to amplify the ex-president’s baseless voter fraud allegations."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/trump-impeachment-attorney-461240

Oh, I hope he does go with that. Admission of guilt is never a good defense.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

first alert wrote:

Trump's defense approach is to claim the insurrection was necessary because the election was stolen and voter fraud.

"Bowers will use his position on Trump’s defense team to amplify the ex-president’s baseless voter fraud allegations."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/trump-impeachment-attorney-461240

That's an awful argument to make and it's why it's been so hard for Trump to find an attorney to represent him. There will be testimony that Trump was repeatedly told that there was no wide spread fraud in the election, but chose to listen to lunatics like Giuliani instead. Even Barr told him there was no evidence to support his claims. Trump's stated belief that the presidency was still up for grabs on 1/6, was demonstrably false and is what caused the riot.

From the Politico article: "All I can say is based on the Butch Bowers I know and respect, I would hope that he wouldn't be sucked in as a tool in advancing the president's conspiracy theories,” [Mark] Sanford said.

Given how the House rushed through the impeachment, so much is unknown.

I wonder whether prosecution can prove that Trump was specifically advised prior to the insurrection that some far-right groups were planning violence -- as for instance the Washington DC mayor and others have said that they had been informed. If the prosecution can provide witnesses that Trump had received these reports and knew of the strong likelihood of violence -- and even possible insurrection -- in advance of the January 6 rally, and yet he proceeded as he did, then the case against him gets even stronger.

What a great guy Biden is.

Paradoxical wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/politics/national-guard-troops-who-protected-the-capitol-for-bidens-inauguration-were-told-to-sleep-in-a-parking-garage.html

What a great guy Biden is.

You aren't too bright, are you?

The president doesn't command the national guard. Nor does he have any say over who does what in the capitol building.

You are wrong. Not surprising.

I called the peak at 3.1 million new cases over a two week span. The absolute peak (to date) has been 3.4 million cases over a two week span. At the end of today we will be at 3.0 million new cases over a two week span.

So, you were wrong then. You are wrong now.

I think he is just trolling. Nobody could possibly believe that. Well, nobody except Sally.