formerly present wrote:
[quote]look first wrote:
There is NO clear set clause in the Constitution that requires a 2/3rds vote of the Senate to impeach and remove anyone other than the President.
1. The Vice President is included. Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
-- Two thirds is NOT here.
2. Judges and SCOTUS Justices are included as "civil officers," and more than a dozen (including a Justice, Samuel Chase) have been impeached on that basis.
-- Does NOT make that right. Originalism means take it for what the document actually says.
3. Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7 provide: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. . . . And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.
-- Yes, exactly what I posted. Person is used to mean ANY person in the U.S.
I may be missing something, but I don't see how this is unclear.
-- You missed that two thirds IS ONLY directly tied to the President. And no one else.
IF you believe that impeachment applies to all civil officers then Trump could not fire anyone from any government office unless he specifically hired them. They would have to be officially impeached. But people claim the Constitution says otherwise, but "otherwise" is being jerked around to mean a limited number of people, and the Constitution has no such special limit.