Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

L L wrote:

Susan Rice for VP?

Very possible. A little bit risky IMO--no previous elective office--but she certainly has foreign-policy credentials and is obviously brilliant.

She's married to a very tall Canadian white guy. Not sure how any part of that plays out.

kibitzer wrote:

L L wrote:

Susan Rice for VP?

Very possible. A little bit risky IMO--no previous elective office--but she certainly has foreign-policy credentials and is obviously brilliant.

She's married to a very tall Canadian white guy. Not sure how any part of that plays out.

It's sad to say, but she probably won't be picked because of Benghazi. I think the Biden campaign doesn't want to waste time re-litigating that.

An interesting pick would be Michelle Obama. I think she has said she doesn't want the job but maybe she could be persuaded to change her mind. There is no denying that she is extremely popular and would help remind everyone of the things they liked about the Obama administration.

I do not qualify as one who thinks such acts are "awful"; although "awful" is quite the subjective term so who knows?

Nonetheless I will comment on your question. It does not seem to me that the reason behind not liking these acts is at all binary. Perhaps you did not mean to imply that it is in your post - difficult for me to discern.

At any rate, beyond 1) "the act itself of destroying property (seeing it similar to some other property with no actual practical use)" and 2) "the history behind the statues being damaged" there are far more reasonably likely reasons.

For instance, it has already been pointed out that allowing a small number of individuals to determine which statues should stay and which should go is problematic in a democratic society. Giving Trump an edge in the election (law and order and all that) is another reason that people might think it is "awful". I am sure that one could point out many others if one was so inclined.

Fat hurts wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Very possible. A little bit risky IMO--no previous elective office--but she certainly has foreign-policy credentials and is obviously brilliant.

She's married to a very tall Canadian white guy. Not sure how any part of that plays out.

It's sad to say, but she probably won't be picked because of Benghazi. I think the Biden campaign doesn't want to waste time re-litigating that.

An interesting pick would be Michelle Obama. I think she has said she doesn't want the job but maybe she could be persuaded to change her mind. There is no denying that she is extremely popular and would help remind everyone of the things they liked about the Obama administration.

I think she could be pretty good but in all sincerity, i think she doesn't deserve the harsh treatment she would get and i would just hate to see such a fine woman subject to that abuse. Sad,

Fat hurts wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Very possible. A little bit risky IMO--no previous elective office--but she certainly has foreign-policy credentials and is obviously brilliant.

She's married to a very tall Canadian white guy. Not sure how any part of that plays out.

It's sad to say, but she probably won't be picked because of Benghazi. I think the Biden campaign doesn't want to waste time re-litigating that.

An interesting pick would be Michelle Obama. I think she has said she doesn't want the job but maybe she could be persuaded to change her mind. There is no denying that she is extremely popular and would help remind everyone of the things they liked about the Obama administration.

Anyone that is not part of Trump's base has got to be burned out from hearing about Benghazi.

Fat hurts wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Very possible. A little bit risky IMO--no previous elective office--but she certainly has foreign-policy credentials and is obviously brilliant.

She's married to a very tall Canadian white guy. Not sure how any part of that plays out.

It's sad to say, but she probably won't be picked because of Benghazi. I think the Biden campaign doesn't want to waste time re-litigating that.

An interesting pick would be Michelle Obama. I think she has said she doesn't want the job but maybe she could be persuaded to change her mind. There is no denying that she is extremely popular and would help remind everyone of the things they liked about the Obama administration.

Michelle? Total chaos and outrage from conservatives if that happens. I also don't believe in dynasties and would prefer for her to stay away from the WH. It's one of the reasons we have trump now, country got tired of Bushs and Clintons. The last thing we need is one of the trump spawns having a serious run at the WH down the road.

Thanks. I'm trying to understand at a basic level what is mostly bothering people on the right about the statues being taken down.

Trump is about to force the RNC to cancel the convention in Florida. The reason being the COVID flare up in the state. But the real reason is that donors are refusing to pony up the money to support a convention there. Where, oh where, will the RNC convention be held? A mini-convention for the wealthy donors only at Mar a Lago?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-republican-idUSKBN2460MI

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/republican-convention-jacksonville-charlotte.html

Another Senator behind in the polls...

https://twitter.com/creynoldsnc/status/1279813091430187008?s=21

Here is where I part with many other liberals who think well tearing down these statues are for a good cause so they really can't fault the people doing it.

I feel as you explained in your last paragraph. Yesterday, on the 4th, I drove by a house with a huge confederate flag and NO USA flag (and I live in the north). I hated the idea of that person flying the traitor flag where war was fought to maintain the idea of owning people. But their is no way I should march over to his property and tear down that flag. I wouldn't do it if the town owned that flag either,

Let me put it this way. Suppose a town had a statue of an elected official who voted prochoice. Would a conservative group have the right to come by and tear that statue down? Of course not.

So people rioting or tearing down statues that they don't like is lawlessness and really anarchy and I do think it is a big deal.

It also just detracts from the issue and allows attention to be drawn to lawlessness instead of the real issue. Fortunately, Trump is so bad it probably won't make that big of deal. But Trump will tie lawlessness to democrats.

Well argued, once again.

Kudos to you, sir. I am afraid that you pose an imminent threat of raising the IQ level of this thread by several points!

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I agree with that. Oddly enough many people almost have divine worship of such statues. Many of those same people also identify as Evangelical Christians which is very odd.

I know you said "almost" and I know this is probably a tongue-in-cheek remark. But I do need to set the record straight here. As someone who has spent his whole life around evangelical Christians let me say that I have never seen or heard of any of them who ever come close to worship of statues.

They may now have a strong point of view on whether they should be torn down or not, but until this controversy, the subject of statues never came up. They weren't even discussed, much less worshiped.

I did not mean it tongue-in-cheek. I DID use the word "almost" on purpose because that's exactly how I see it...they ALMOST do worship some of those statues. Statues and flags. Just a step down from Idol worship in my view. Stone Mountain carving in Georgia is almost a religious pilgrimage for some people. The Confederate Battle Flag, statues of Robert E. Lee...some people are out of their minds with regard to such images. And yes, it is almost always Evangelical Christians who feel that way about those statues and flags, most of them from the South. I know several who do. I went to high school in a very conservative area of Ohio (I really had no idea how conservative it was until later), and many of the people I went to high school with who were not religious at all then are now Bible thumping Evangelical Christian Trump supporters, and they have gone nuts over the removal of statues and flags.

Ha! I just looked for this AFTER writing the above, and lo and behold, I am not the only one with this opinion.

Here's a snippet - "Confederate symbols like the battle flag and heroic figures like Robert E. Lee took on religious overtones that continue to exist today among traditional white southerners."

Those religious overtones reach up to northern Ohio too...bunch of nutso right-wing religious crazies up there in Lucas and Wood counties.

Considering Trump’s non action on word of Russia paying to have American soldiers killed, I don’t see how any Trump campaign can bring up Beghazi for Susan Rice.

All generals will line up to support Rice over Trump.

It may sway the military voting edge away from Republicans.

It solidifies the moderate vote.

The far left is all in on Biden to get rid of Trump.

Rice is more likable than Harris.

1) I don't care about the history of these statues.

2) I have always been a law and order guy, and so yes, the destruction of property that is not yours to destroy is what concerns me about the illegal statue removals. As I said before, I agree that there is a silver lining in it in that it seems to have hastened the removal of other statues by governments (including in Columbus, OH), but the ends can't justify the means.

3) My blood is not boiling over with anger at all. No more statues of Robert E. Lee and no more Confederate Battle Flags is great to me. That NASCAR has banned the flying of that flag is way more powerful than some people ripping down a statue.

4) Lots of buildings, especially federal buildings, are named for people that were not the most savory people ever. It would not be ok for someone to blow those buildings up, even if they knew no one was in them and that no one would get hurt, so really we are talking about size and monetary value. Destruction of property that is not yours is wrong. Am I adamant about this? No. Do I demonize people who tear down statues of unsavory people? No. I don't cheer them either. I DO recognize that ultimately this gives me what I want...a US with no racism images and monuments from our past. I have to separate though what is right from what I want. Ultimately I will be pleased with the outcome of all of this, but that is only because I am a flawed person.

Trollminator wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

It's sad to say, but she probably won't be picked because of Benghazi. I think the Biden campaign doesn't want to waste time re-litigating that.

An interesting pick would be Michelle Obama. I think she has said she doesn't want the job but maybe she could be persuaded to change her mind. There is no denying that she is extremely popular and would help remind everyone of the things they liked about the Obama administration.

Michelle? Total chaos and outrage from conservatives if that happens. I also don't believe in dynasties and would prefer for her to stay away from the WH. It's one of the reasons we have trump now, country got tired of Bushs and Clintons. The last thing we need is one of the trump spawns having a serious run at the WH down the road.

Agreed. Michelle Obama would be an awful pick for the reasons you mentioned.

L L wrote:

Considering Trump’s non action on word of Russia paying to have American soldiers killed, I don’t see how any Trump campaign can bring up Beghazi for Susan Rice.

All generals will line up to support Rice over Trump.

It may sway the military voting edge away from Republicans.

It solidifies the moderate vote.

The far left is all in on Biden to get rid of Trump.

Rice is more likable than Harris.

I like Rice but again, she's never been elected to anything. Biden's veep will most likely be the leading Dem candidate in 2024. There is next to zero chance that Biden will put the Dem party and the forces of anti-trumpism...in the hands of a political novice. That would be a massive mistake.

But she’s not a government novice, like Trump.

Rice would know how to lead and govern.

So she doesn’t have experience getting elected. That’s Biden’s job, to get them elected.

If she takes over mid term it would help with the 2024 election.

Getting elected and actually governing are vastly different skills. It’s a shame we only let people govern who know how to get elected.

To Flagpole, if you don’t like who a building is named after you don’t have to tear it down. You can rename it.

You can’t rename a statue.

L L wrote:

But she’s not a government novice, like Trump.

Rice would know how to lead and govern.

So she doesn’t have experience getting elected. That’s Biden’s job, to get them elected.

If she takes over mid term it would help with the 2024 election.

Getting elected and actually governing are vastly different skills. It’s a shame we only let people govern who know how to get elected.

To Flagpole, if you don’t like who a building is named after you don’t have to tear it down. You can rename it.

You can’t rename a statue.

True, but what if calls to rename went unheeded? Someone might decide it is evil to not rename the building and decide to blow it up. If we don't have laws, we have chaos. Protest, put a dress or a silly wig on a statue, call attention to it as well as you can, but in just about every possible example, I do not support just tearing down statues that have been put up by and agreed to by governments. How large of a group of people is required to make tearing a statue down ok? 100 people? 10 people? 1 person?

I’m not asking you to support tearing down statues.

I’m saying the building comparison is bad.

It takes time to heed calls to change things.

After decades of people being unhappy in Virginia with confederate statues and names of schools it took a public reaction to a horrible president and his divisiveness.

Now Richmond has removed the statue of Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson High School has now been renamed Unity Reed High School.

Unity stands for togetherness and Reed was a well liked black security guard who worked at the school.

This was a reaction to the Charlottesville debacle and the string of horrible killings of black people up to George Floyd and the nationwide protests.

Petitions alone didn’t make change. It was a visual and visceral reaction of many angry yet united people that lead to localities implementing these changes.

And a little civil disobedience.

They are even changing the name of the Redskins because of corporate and sponsor pressure that has come from this.