Notice that Sally didn't address his horrible math error. Intellectual discussion is not for you, Sally. Go away.
Notice that Sally didn't address his horrible math error. Intellectual discussion is not for you, Sally. Go away.
Trollminator wrote:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/
For Sally:
“That said, the president and his administration are responsible for grave, costly errors, most especially the epic manufacturing failures in diagnostic testing, the decision to test too few people, the delay in expanding testing to labs outside the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and problems in the supply chain. These mistakes have left us blind and badly behind the curve, and, for a few crucial weeks, they created a false sense of security. What we now know is that the coronavirus silently spread for several weeks, without us being aware of it and while we were doing nothing to stop it. Containment and mitigation efforts could have significantly slowed its spread at an early, critical point, but we frittered away that opportunity.”
Trollminator wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/For Sally:
“That said, the president and his administration are responsible for grave, costly errors, most especially the epic manufacturing failures in diagnostic testing, the decision to test too few people, the delay in expanding testing to labs outside the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and problems in the supply chain. These mistakes have left us blind and badly behind the curve, and, for a few crucial weeks, they created a false sense of security. What we now know is that the coronavirus silently spread for several weeks, without us being aware of it and while we were doing nothing to stop it. Containment and mitigation efforts could have significantly slowed its spread at an early, critical point, but we frittered away that opportunity.”
“ We also know the World Health Organization had working tests that the United States refused, and researchers at a project in Seattle tried to conduct early tests for the coronavirus but were prevented from doing so by federal officials. (Doctors at the research project eventually decided to perform coronavirus tests without federal approval.)
But that’s not all. The president reportedly ignored early warnings of the severity of the virus and grew angry at a CDC official who in February warned that an outbreak was inevitable. The Trump administration dismantled the National Security Council’s global-health office, whose purpose was to address global pandemics; we’re now paying the price for that. “We worked very well with that office,” Fauci told Congress. “It would be nice if the office was still there.” We may face a shortage of ventilators and medical supplies, and hospitals may soon be overwhelmed, certainly if the number of coronavirus cases increases at a rate anything like that in countries such as Italy. (This would cause not only needless coronavirus-related deaths, but deaths from those suffering from other ailments who won’t have ready access to hospital care.)”
agip wrote:
I would bet you a dollar that a medical stat person would find much wrong with your stats and conclusions and forecasts.
I would bet you a million dollars that they would not.
This is not rocket science. I am not making things up. What I just said will happen, will happen. And every day of delay because the ignorant among us refuse to believe what is happening will mean more deaths. Possibly thousands more deaths from a single day's delay.
Trollminator wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
For Sally:
“That said, the president and his administration are responsible for grave, costly errors, most especially the epic manufacturing failures in diagnostic testing, the decision to test too few people, the delay in expanding testing to labs outside the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and problems in the supply chain. These mistakes have left us blind and badly behind the curve, and, for a few crucial weeks, they created a false sense of security. What we now know is that the coronavirus silently spread for several weeks, without us being aware of it and while we were doing nothing to stop it. Containment and mitigation efforts could have significantly slowed its spread at an early, critical point, but we frittered away that opportunity.”
“ We also know the World Health Organization had working tests that the United States refused, and researchers at a project in Seattle tried to conduct early tests for the coronavirus but were prevented from doing so by federal officials. (Doctors at the research project eventually decided to perform coronavirus tests without federal approval.)
But that’s not all. The president reportedly ignored early warnings of the severity of the virus and grew angry at a CDC official who in February warned that an outbreak was inevitable. The Trump administration dismantled the National Security Council’s global-health office, whose purpose was to address global pandemics; we’re now paying the price for that. “We worked very well with that office,” Fauci told Congress. “It would be nice if the office was still there.” We may face a shortage of ventilators and medical supplies, and hospitals may soon be overwhelmed, certainly if the number of coronavirus cases increases at a rate anything like that in countries such as Italy. (This would cause not only needless coronavirus-related deaths, but deaths from those suffering from other ailments who won’t have ready access to hospital care.)”
“ The nation is recognizing this, treating him as a bystander “as school superintendents, sports commissioners, college presidents, governors and business owners across the country take it upon themselves to shut down much of American life without clear guidance from the president,” in the words of Peter Baker and Maggie Haberman of The New York Times.
Donald Trump is shrinking before our eyes.”
P wrote:
agip wrote:
I would bet you a dollar that a medical stat person would find much wrong with your stats and conclusions and forecasts.
I would bet you a million dollars that they would not.
This is not rocket science. I am not making things up. What I just said will happen, will happen. And every day of delay because the ignorant among us refuse to believe what is happening will mean more deaths. Possibly thousands more deaths from a single day's delay.
"It is impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what geometric growth means. Geometric growth. Geometric growth has a face ... and you must make a friend of geometric growth. Geometric growth and parametric statistics are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies."
- Colonel Walter E. Kurtz on the CoVID-19 Coronavirus Apocalypse happening Now! in 2020.
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I am sorry, agip. But you are the frog in the pot, not noticing that the water is getting hotter. I don't like to be harsh with you. I understand that you are simply ignorant on this topic and have very little mathematical sense. So, you appeal to imaginary saviors and spread nonsense backed up by nothing but your hunches.
No math. No numbers. At best, anecdotes.
Normally I excuse such nonsense. Just let it go. But lives are at stake. Many lives. And when people are dying by the thousands it will be because of people like you. Ignorant. But proudly, self-confidently ignorant. And spreading ignorance on a topic that ultimately has life and death consequences. Sorry, but I cannot forgive you for that. I hope that you may forgive yourself six months from now.
You would do best to STFU. I mean that sincerely. And with your own best interests in mind.
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Yep. You got it.
but arent' the estimated counts better to go by? I assume that scientists put the estimates together using tried and true methods of extrapolation. Seems that going with the hard count numbers is not the best way to get a picture of the damage of the epidemic.
One is not better. It depends on what you are using the numbers for.
I'm just saying don't compare estimates of H1N1 with hard numbers for coronavirus.
your characterization of me is completely wrong but I'll leave it there - no need to fight on the internet.
we will see what happens. We'll see if China and SK and Japan show us what will happen in Europe and America...or if Europe and America will for some reason be much worse.
Only the members of the LR lib echo chamber are angry today. The stock market is the true measure of confidence--it skyrocketed and they gave Trump their stamp of approval.
KAG2020
Lay off the cocaine, P.
Another Trump lie. Claims he knew nothing about it.
P wrote:
P wrote:
I would bet you a million dollars that they would not.
This is not rocket science. I am not making things up. What I just said will happen, will happen. And every day of delay because the ignorant among us refuse to believe what is happening will mean more deaths. Possibly thousands more deaths from a single day's delay.
"It is impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what geometric growth means. Geometric growth. Geometric growth has a face ... and you must make a friend of geometric growth. Geometric growth and parametric statistics are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies."
- Colonel Walter E. Kurtz on the CoVID-19 Coronavirus Apocalypse happening Now! in 2020.
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I am sorry, agip. But you are the frog in the pot, not noticing that the water is getting hotter. I don't like to be harsh with you. I understand that you are simply ignorant on this topic and have very little mathematical sense. So, you appeal to imaginary saviors and spread nonsense backed up by nothing but your hunches.
No math. No numbers. At best, anecdotes.
Normally I excuse such nonsense. Just let it go. But lives are at stake. Many lives. And when people are dying by the thousands it will be because of people like you. Ignorant. But proudly, self-confidently ignorant. And spreading ignorance on a topic that ultimately has life and death consequences. Sorry, but I cannot forgive you for that. I hope that you may forgive yourself six months from now.
You would do best to STFU. I mean that sincerely. And with your own best interests in mind.
So you think by 'correcting' someone that you are saving lives?
Look, it's clear you have a firm grasp on math and exponential growth... but like everyone else in the world you do not know the future. You may be right or not... but your predictions are not facts.
You may think you are helping by predicting the apocalypse but in the long run maybe your posts are no better than b wiggins or agips
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Only the members of the LR lib echo chamber are angry today. The stock market is the true measure of confidence--it skyrocketed and they gave Trump their stamp of approval.
KAG2020
Ah, I see idiot wanker #1 is still at it. Despite today's rally, the market has reacted very badly to Trump. Today's gains didn't even offset yesterday's losses, mate, and it's been very bad for a couple weeks. He and you had better hope the market gets back to where it was before this crisis, mate. We will likely be in recession come November, and that hurts Trump. You idiot wanker. Two stubbies shy of a 6 pack describes you, mate.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Only the members of the LR lib echo chamber are angry today. The stock market is the true measure of confidence--it skyrocketed and they gave Trump their stamp of approval.
KAG2020
A "he finally did something!" stamp of approval you dolt.
So with no sports on will this Sunday’s debate between Bernie and Biden be the most watched one of the election season?
Calyope wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Only the members of the LR lib echo chamber are angry today. The stock market is the true measure of confidence--it skyrocketed and they gave Trump their stamp of approval.
KAG2020
Ah, I see idiot wanker #1 is still at it. Despite today's rally, the market has reacted very badly to Trump. Today's gains didn't even offset yesterday's losses, mate, and it's been very bad for a couple weeks. He and you had better hope the market gets back to where it was before this crisis, mate. We will likely be in recession come November, and that hurts Trump. You idiot wanker. Two stubbies shy of a 6 pack describes you, mate.
Trump partnered with resources from the private sector in healthcare, logistics, technology, retail, and customer service. This team will get the job done. Eventually, this virus will no longer be front page news and the stock market will recover by the summer months if not sooner.
#Trumplandslide
"Four more years!"
KAG2020
Yes, Nostradamus, actually “P” I mean, should have quite the hangover this morning.
Meanwhile Pollyanna (trigged) sees a world carpeted in rose petals. Going with opioids for that one.
While the boys bickered, President Pelosi insisted they actually pass some legislation before quitting work Friday. With 90% voting yes, she dragged them through it around 1am.
It’s not called the “emergency socialism-type economic response to coronavirus.” It is that, but it’s called something else.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Calyope wrote:
Ah, I see idiot wanker #1 is still at it. Despite today's rally, the market has reacted very badly to Trump. Today's gains didn't even offset yesterday's losses, mate, and it's been very bad for a couple weeks. He and you had better hope the market gets back to where it was before this crisis, mate. We will likely be in recession come November, and that hurts Trump. You idiot wanker. Two stubbies shy of a 6 pack describes you, mate.
Trump partnered with resources from the private sector in healthcare, logistics, technology, retail, and customer service. This team will get the job done. Eventually, this virus will no longer be front page news and the stock market will recover by the summer months if not sooner.
#Trumplandslide
"Four more years!"
KAG2020
Trump set the bar incredibly low with all the stupid things he said initially and now he's receiving credit for doing what hé should have done in thé first place, which is to take advice and get out of thé way.