Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Actually.... wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Americans have done those jobs for centuries and built this country into what it is today.

The thing is that, as slaves, we didn't even get paid for those jobs that built this country what it is today. And we were not considered Americans.

Yes, and that's why we need immigration reform. It's wrong to exploit workers no matter which century you are living in.

Count Chocula wrote:

With low unemployment, it doesn't matter if American citizens would do the jobs, because (in theory) there aren't enough unemployed American citizens to fill those jobs. So, the solution would be to either make the jobs more enticing (higher wages) or increase the labor pool (through legal immigration). The issue that I have is that instead of hiring legal immigrants, some companies instead deliberately hire illegal immigrants in order to save money (by paying wages in cash and avoiding payroll taxes).

So ultimately, if you don't want companies to hire illegal immigrants, and unemployment is low, you need to increase the labor pool by allowing more legal immigrants. This can certainly be with a temporary work visa. And while I hardly mean to defend companies that hire illegal immigrants, if the labor pool is truly scarce, how else can they hire enough workers?

Thanks for this. Real-world commentary is relatively rare in this thread.

Hi there wrote:

Enlighten wrote:

Ahem, no. You first. Prove your expertise. Otherwise, you are just a trolling ... a very weak troll.

Hi Flagpole!

Nope! Not me.

WEJO, DO AN IP CHECK, AND IF I LIE, BAN ME FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the_history_the_real_1 wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

So you are saying Americans are genetically inferior?

Or are you saying Americans are just lazy by nature?

Latinos are not better than Americans at farm work. Americans have done those jobs for centuries and built this country into what it is today.

That farmer just wants an excuse to pay his workers less.

Americans have done those jobs for centuries and built this country??? WTF Try slave labor doing that, bubba.

LOL . . . you are ignorant of history.

the_history_the_real_1 wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

So you are saying Americans are genetically inferior?

Or are you saying Americans are just lazy by nature?

Latinos are not better than Americans at farm work. Americans have done those jobs for centuries and built this country into what it is today.

That farmer just wants an excuse to pay his workers less.

Americans have done those jobs for centuries and built this country??? WTF Try slave labor doing that, bubba.

Most US slaves were born here, lived here, and worked here all their lives. Surely you are not saying that the slaves don't deserve to be included in the "Americans who built this country"?

1970s-Today: As African Americans moved to other industries, there was a shortage of labor in the fields. Immigrants, primarily from Latin America, began to work in the fields. Today, most farm workers are immigrants from Latin America, and it’s calculated that up to 75% of them are undocumented. The vast majority of our nation’s farm workers are from Mexico and Central America, although many African Americans and immigrants from other regions of the world (particularly Asia) continue to work in the fields.

Any white farmer workers?

Fat hurts wrote:

Two Sides wrote:

That's kind of the rub because businesses can get away with paying undocumented workers below federal minimum wage.

Make them legal and they can't.

Even still, many of them do make OK money and do jobs most Americans won't do.

If the anti-immigrant crowd really succeeds, the economy would struggle.

I always cringe when someone says that Americans won't do certain jobs. That's utter baloney.

Americans will do any job that pays a decent wage. From smelly, dirty jobs like sanitation to dangerous jobs like logging, Americans are willing and eager to work hard at whatever needs to be done.

When someone says, "Undocumented workers do the jobs that Americans won't do," what they really mean is, "Undocumented workers will accept third-world wages."

One of the rare times that I agree with Fat hurts.

Fat hurts wrote:

the_history_the_real_1 wrote:

Americans have done those jobs for centuries and built this country??? WTF Try slave labor doing that, bubba.

Most US slaves were born here, lived here, and worked here all their lives. Surely you are not saying that the slaves don't deserve to be included in the "Americans who built this country"?

That's the point. We weren't considered Americans when we built this country. Hell, we're barely considered Americans today by the establishment.

Flagpole wrote:

Hi there wrote:

Hi Flagpole!

Nope! Not me.

WEJO, DO AN IP CHECK, AND IF I LIE, BAN ME FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why are you trying to bet people on this thread (and it is a bet). It makes you low class.

True Sweester wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Nope! Not me.

WEJO, DO AN IP CHECK, AND IF I LIE, BAN ME FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why are you trying to bet people on this thread (and it is a bet). It makes you low class.

Flagpole vacations in Akron. Not Rome or St. Petersburg but Akron. How much lower class can he become?

"Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China"

What was your thoughts on this again?

The dictator talk, that is

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I always cringe when someone says that Americans won't do certain jobs. That's utter baloney.

Americans will do any job that pays a decent wage. From smelly, dirty jobs like sanitation to dangerous jobs like logging, Americans are willing and eager to work hard at whatever needs to be done.

When someone says, "Undocumented workers do the jobs that Americans won't do," what they really mean is, "Undocumented workers will accept third-world wages."

One of the rare times that I agree with Fat hurts.

That and nuclear power. There is hope for us all.

You and Rigged both agree that the US would be fine if we got rid of all of the undocumented immigrants and there would be no negative economic impact.

Two Sides wrote:

You and Rigged both agree that the US would be fine if we got rid of all of the undocumented immigrants and there would be no negative economic impact.

I don't know about Rigged, but I would like to see a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Most would be able to stay.

It would have a positive economic impact.

X-Runner wrote:

"Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China"

What was your thoughts on this again?

The dictator talk, that is

It's kind if stupid because the alternatives will be countries like Viet Nam which will still be cheaper than American made. Trump will have to slap tarrifs on all those countries as well,

Using the terminology of "hereby ordered" is more indication that his brain is leaking oil.

Fat hurts wrote:

Two Sides wrote:

To summarize:

The demand for many types of minimum wage jobs is higher than the amount of American citizens available to fill them.

That is very true.

First, we need to raise the minimum wage to a living wage.

Second, we need the reforms for undocumented workers that have already been mentioned.

Third, we need guest workers from other nations for times when we have a shortage of workers.

But everyone needs to make a living wage. That way, every American willing to work can proudly raise a family off his or her income. Then the taxpayers don't have to pay for welfare programs to support underpaid workers (which is really just a form of corporate welfare). Plus, immigrants are no longer exploited.

Who exactly will be paying for these higher wages? It wouldn't be American consumers, would it? And what exactly is the difference between American consumers and American taxpayers? Hint: They are essentially the same group of people.

So, your statement basically says that American taxpayers will no longer have to pay for underpaid workers. The amount necessary to do this will be made up by American taxpayers. Brilliant! Plus, all of these remarkable benefits will be provided by artificially interfering in the market, thereby losing the benefit of real market price/value information. Awesome!

///

If you want to give people money that is not earned based on value provided then just give them the money straight up. It is idiotic to try to do this through employers.

X-Runner wrote:

"Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China"

This has to be repeated.

Trump is going to a new level of insanity.

The president cannot order American companies to do anything.

He really thinks he is a dictator.

Sally and Rigged are you cool with this?

Is he finally going too far?

It's kind of funny that the only defense of Trump's pronouncements is that they are so stupid that nobody takes them seriously and that he could not possibly mean them.

Actually.... wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Americans have done those jobs for centuries and built this country into what it is today.

The thing is that, as slaves, we didn't even get paid for those jobs that built this country what it is today. And we were not considered Americans.

Is that the royal "we"? Or are you 170 years old and you used to be enslaved?