Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Flagpole wrote:

agip wrote:

Ok, in the last day or so:

1) Spanky has refused an appearance at the opening of the new museum at the Statue of Liberty because the Statue of freaking liberty does not represent his vision of America.

2) Spanky has accused the Department of Justice of treason.

3) Spanky has declared that European car imports are a national security risk.

Lordy. And I'm probably forgetting some very important things.

Worst president ever.

"Worst president ever." Correct, but also the understatement of the year. :)

In terms of scandals and cronyism. Ulysses S Grant is probably just as bad, if not worse. He had a little more tact and dignity though. Same with Warren Harding too. Andrew Johnson can pretty much be blamed for Jim Crow laws and horrible conditions that persisted in the South after he tried to enact his own vision of Reconstruction. Also, Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan basically presided over succession of the South.

Trump is just an idiot. Kinda like W, except not as bad because so far Trump hasn't led us to a war in the Middle East on totally made up pretenses (yet).

agip wrote:

L L wrote:

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

Not his vision of America at all.

If the Dems don't run some version of this in their attack ads, I'll be disappointed. It's a bloody floating fastball. "Donald Trump is an extremist who stands outside the traditions of America. He does not even believe the Statue of Liberty is a national symbol that unites us all as Americans. "

Or something like that.

His supporters hate immigrants to begin with so I doubt that'd be effective. And for all the independents, they don't care what he says either because it's all just a bunch of hot air. Policy points and a strong, energetic Democratic candidate will matter most.

Racket wrote:

In terms of scandals and cronyism. Ulysses S Grant is probably just as bad, if not worse. He had a little more tact and dignity though. Same with Warren Harding too. Andrew Johnson can pretty much be blamed for Jim Crow laws and horrible conditions that persisted in the South after he tried to enact his own vision of Reconstruction. Also, Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan basically presided over succession of the South.

Trump is just an idiot. Kinda like W, except not as bad because so far Trump hasn't led us to a war in the Middle East on totally made up pretenses (yet).

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Racket wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

"Worst president ever." Correct, but also the understatement of the year. :)

In terms of scandals and cronyism. Ulysses S Grant is probably just as bad, if not worse. He had a little more tact and dignity though. Same with Warren Harding too. Andrew Johnson can pretty much be blamed for Jim Crow laws and horrible conditions that persisted in the South after he tried to enact his own vision of Reconstruction. Also, Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan basically presided over succession of the South.

Trump is just an idiot. Kinda like W, except not as bad because so far Trump hasn't led us to a war in the Middle East on totally made up pretenses (yet).

I understand all the bad stuff those presidents did, and none of it is excusable of course, but, especially with regard to The South, we are looking back with today's sensitivities which makes it all that much worse of course.

With the combination of abuse of power, incompetence (which includes hiring equally incompetent, unethical, and criminal staff), serial lying and criminality, Trump is the worst. W was a freakin' brain surgeon compared to Trump.

Flagpole,

I get your hate of Trump and sympathetic at some level, but really the scenario and outcome has shifted. That is, people with the same hate as yours took actions that were questionable, if not illegal. If anyone is coming it is Barr. Enough said by me. I’ll sit back and watch events unfold.

Igy

Racket wrote:

agip wrote:

If the Dems don't run some version of this in their attack ads, I'll be disappointed. It's a bloody floating fastball. "Donald Trump is an extremist who stands outside the traditions of America. He does not even believe the Statue of Liberty is a national symbol that unites us all as Americans. "

Or something like that.

His supporters hate immigrants to begin with so I doubt that'd be effective. And for all the independents, they don't care what he says either because it's all just a bunch of hot air. [bPolicy points and a strong, energetic Democratic candidate will matter most.

I think it's been made pretty clear from the last several presidential elections that policy points don't matter one bit.

Other than the three wedge issues: guns, transexual bathroom use and abortion. And gay wedding cakes. Other than those four, policy is not a factor in how America chooses presidents.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Flagpole,

I get your hate of Trump and sympathetic at some level, but really the scenario and outcome has shifted. That is, people with the same hate as yours took actions that were questionable, if not illegal. If anyone is coming it is Barr. Enough said by me. I’ll sit back and watch events unfold.

Igy

Let me repeat that beside McCabe, there is zero evidence of any wrongdoing by anyone in the DOJ/FBI. Zero. You are being made a tool by right wing media when you spout this stuff.

But if you want to traffic in right wing conspiracy theories, have at it. I'd go with pizzagate, killary, benghazi, birtherism though. Maybe Qanon. Those are a lot more fun, and less corrosive to the body politic. I'd go with Pizzagate, personally. It has it all. Hillary, sex, porn, slavery, firearm use. It's a good one. Do that one instead.

I need a break from this. I'm yelling too much.

See you guys on Monday.

OK. Here is the right wing media you are more than willing to take your financial news from:

Igy

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

agip wrote:

Let me repeat that beside McCabe, there is zero evidence of any wrongdoing by anyone in the DOJ/FBI. Zero. You are being made a tool by right wing media when you spout this stuff.

But if you want to traffic in right wing conspiracy theories, have at it. I'd go with pizzagate, killary, benghazi, birtherism though. Maybe Qanon. Those are a lot more fun, and less corrosive to the body politic. I'd go with Pizzagate, personally. It has it all. Hillary, sex, porn, slavery, firearm use. It's a good one. Do that one instead.

OK. Here is the right wing media you are more than willing to take your financial news from:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/barr-review-of-origins-of-fbis-trump-russia-probe-could-lead-to-rule-changes-11558090803

Igy

please cut and paste to specific charges of misdeeds by anyone in the DOJ and FBI.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

agip wrote:

Let me repeat that beside McCabe, there is zero evidence of any wrongdoing by anyone in the DOJ/FBI. Zero. You are being made a tool by right wing media when you spout this stuff.

But if you want to traffic in right wing conspiracy theories, have at it. I'd go with pizzagate, killary, benghazi, birtherism though. Maybe Qanon. Those are a lot more fun, and less corrosive to the body politic. I'd go with Pizzagate, personally. It has it all. Hillary, sex, porn, slavery, firearm use. It's a good one. Do that one instead.

OK. Here is the right wing media you are more than willing to take your financial news from:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/barr-review-of-origins-of-fbis-trump-russia-probe-could-lead-to-rule-changes-11558090803

Igy

1) agip is correct. Right-wing fantasy that the FBI or Comey or Clapper or Brennan will suffer any punishment for any wrongdoing. IF for some reason an investigation finds that they did something improper (maybe a BJ in the FBI building), then they should suffer the consequences. None of that would exonerate Trump from his criminal behavior. Such a weird concept you Trumpers keep throwing up there.

2) The Wall Street Journal is a conservative paper.

3) I don't hate. I see what is good and just and kind and fair, and I see what is NOT those things. Trump is NOT those things.

Ok last post before my sabbatical.

I of course do not have full faith that the FBI/DOJ always follow rules. And the rules are vague. And the FISC judges rarely turn down any request for a warrant. And I am all for investigations into the IC apparatus. That's important stuff.

What I am against is the right wing conspiracy machine turning this into a done deal, where people can say outright that 'the FBI acted against Trump.'

No one should say anything like that yet.

But sure, let's hear from the DOJ inspector general and see what he says.

let's see what Barr comes up with.

If anything was done wrong, then there should and will be consequences.

But until then, responsible people should not forward anything like what Sally and Igy are saying - that we know about misdeeds. That is just crazy talk and no different than any of the many, many right wing conspiracy theories that always, always, turn out to be false and malicious, ways for the right wing machine to fool the uninformed.

Flagpole wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

OK. Here is the right wing media you are more than willing to take your financial news from:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/barr-review-of-origins-of-fbis-trump-russia-probe-could-lead-to-rule-changes-11558090803

Igy

1) agip is correct. Right-wing fantasy that the FBI or Comey or Clapper or Brennan will suffer any punishment for any wrongdoing. IF for some reason an investigation finds that they did something improper (maybe a BJ in the FBI building), then they should suffer the consequences. None of that would exonerate Trump from his criminal behavior. Such a weird concept you Trumpers keep throwing up there.

2) The Wall Street Journal is a conservative paper.

3) I don't hate. I see what is good and just and kind and fair, and I see what is NOT those things. Trump is NOT those things.

Flagpole and agip,

This really will be my last post on the subject for now, but I will read your response. And mine to yours is, there is as much questionable behavior on both sides to warrant an investigation. Mueller has completed his and Barr has tasked a look into DOJ and FBI behavior and processes. The Wall Street Journal is a conservative newspaper and MSNBC/NBC is a liberal media network; so what. On this subject they both have been right and wrong. You may not hate, but you are consumed by this subject, and not in a good way.

Igy

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

...there is as much questionable behavior on both sides to warrant an investigation. ...

You are BLIND. There is daily questionable behavior by the Orange One. You hide your head in the sand regrading by personally choosing to read zerohedge as a real news source. You have been duped, and willingly so.

Flagpole wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

OK. Here is the right wing media you are more than willing to take your financial news from:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/barr-review-of-origins-of-fbis-trump-russia-probe-could-lead-to-rule-changes-11558090803

Igy

1) agip is correct. Right-wing fantasy that the FBI or Comey or Clapper or Brennan will suffer any punishment for any wrongdoing. IF for some reason an investigation finds that they did something improper (maybe a BJ in the FBI building), then they should suffer the consequences. None of that would exonerate Trump from his criminal behavior. Such a weird concept you Trumpers keep throwing up there.

2) The Wall Street Journal is a conservative paper.

3) I don't hate. I see what is good and just and kind and fair, and I see what is NOT those things. Trump is NOT those things.

Flagpole, Can I ask you a question? You are a consultant and do software jobs for clients. Your clients expect accuracy. Yes? You said the other day that Barack Obama was a professor at the University of Chicago. That was wrong. Dead wrong. He was never a professor there. He was a lecturer there and later a senior lecturer. Would you not expect to be fired for having inaccuracies in your reports to your client? I sure as heck would fire you. Just wondering about that. I am sure you will weasel out of this like you do all the time. Flagpole 100 % weasel 100% of the time.

And just as you are now guaranteeing that the FBI or Comey Or Clapper or Brennan will suffer any punishment comes on the heels of you guaranteeing that Trump would never win election and that the Mueller investigation would bring down Trump. Do you ever get tired of guaranteeing sh#t and your guarantees never come to fruition? Don't you get tired of making guarantees that are bogus? It has to wear you down, Brother. It would wear me down mercilessly. 100% Wrong 100% of the time! LOL.

Sally Vix wrote:

^TROLL

sally is a troll wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

^TROLL

Pretty pathetic if you can't distinguish from a legitimate Questioner and a troll. Sad.