Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

L L wrote:

If you were facing a potential obstruction of justice charge would you publicly ask the Attorney General to end an investigation that involves you?

I mean, if you were innocent of it?

Like I said before, he sure sounds completely innocent. What - don't you think his twittering about the investigation sounds like an innocent man? Innocent as a newborn baby!

Fat hurts wrote:

I still say Trump will not resign. At the very least, he will need to be removed from the White House by force.

If you mean that he will have to be impeached and found guilty by the Senate then you may be correct.

If you mean that he might be impeached and found guilty by the Senate and would STILL refuse to vacate the office and the WH then you are certainly incorrect.

L L wrote:

If you were facing a potential obstruction of justice charge would you publicly ask the Attorney General to end an investigation that involves you?

I mean, if you were innocent of it?

If I were Trump, yes. Trump fights back against everyone who attacks him. The fact that he is fighting back against this corrupt witch hunt does not mean he's guilty.

Also, Manafort plead not guilty. He's fighting in court on a case that several prosecutors in the past have refused to prosecute because they didn't think they could win. If Mueller can't prove Manafort did something really heinous, then this whole charade comes crashing down.

Flagpole wrote:

Beginning to turn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KcvtpRVwdg

It will continue.

I'd vote for Chistine Whitman in a heartbeat. If only the Dems had such a candidate to run. Instead they have . . . ?

DiscoGary wrote:

L L wrote:

If you were facing a potential obstruction of justice charge would you publicly ask the Attorney General to end an investigation that involves you?

I mean, if you were innocent of it?

If I were Trump, yes. Trump fights back against everyone who attacks him. The fact that he is fighting back against this corrupt witch hunt does not mean he's guilty.

Also, Manafort plead not guilty. He's fighting in court on a case that several prosecutors in the past have refused to prosecute because they didn't think they could win. If Mueller can't prove Manafort did something really heinous, then this whole charade comes crashing down.

yes, he fights back against all. Including evil entities like Canada, France, the UK and NATO. Great. Super.

it's not a charade - you seem to want to ignore all the dozens of indictments, the many many guilty pleas...why would you want to ignore reality? Oh yea, because your cult leader tells you to. Remember, what you are seeing isn't really happening.

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Flat out desperation. Trump knows that he is guilty of some very bad stuff, and he is backed into a corner. His behavior from here on out will be what makes more and more Republican Senators NOT back him when impeachment comes to the Senate for a vote. Trump will likely be told ahead of time that they have the votes to convict him, and then he will resign.

I still say Trump will not resign. At the very least, he will need to be removed from the White House by force.

Ok. Have you considered there may be a plea deal that includes him resigning? Plea could include things like...we won't prosecute you after you leave office, or we won't prosecute Don Jr., etc.?

As long as he is removed legally of course, I don't care whether he resigns or is forced to leave.

L L wrote:

If you were facing a potential obstruction of justice charge would you publicly ask the Attorney General to end an investigation that involves you?

I mean, if you were innocent of it?

Nope.

agip wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

If I were Trump, yes. Trump fights back against everyone who attacks him. The fact that he is fighting back against this corrupt witch hunt does not mean he's guilty.

Also, Manafort plead not guilty. He's fighting in court on a case that several prosecutors in the past have refused to prosecute because they didn't think they could win. If Mueller can't prove Manafort did something really heinous, then this whole charade comes crashing down.

yes, he fights back against all. Including evil entities like Canada, France, the UK and NATO. Great. Super.

it's not a charade - you seem to want to ignore all the dozens of indictments, the many many guilty pleas...why would you want to ignore reality? Oh yea, because your cult leader tells you to. Remember, what you are seeing isn't really happening.

Again. It isn't a legal proceeding, it is a political persecution. You have to fight back against a political persecution or you lose. That's why Trump won. He fights back against all this carp.

DiscoGary wrote:

Also, Manafort plead not guilty. He's fighting in court on a case that several prosecutors in the past have refused to prosecute because they didn't think they could win.

Reference?

If Mueller can't prove Manafort did something really heinous, then this whole charade comes crashing down.

As if the 10 pages of transactions with dates and parties listed in the indictment passed by the grand jury means the prosecution has any compelling physical evidence.

DiscoGary wrote:

L L wrote:

If you were facing a potential obstruction of justice charge would you publicly ask the Attorney General to end an investigation that involves you?

I mean, if you were innocent of it?

If I were Trump, yes. Trump fights back against everyone who attacks him. The fact that he is fighting back against this corrupt witch hunt does not mean he's guilty.

Also, Manafort plead not guilty. He's fighting in court on a case that several prosecutors in the past have refused to prosecute because they didn't think they could win. If Mueller can't prove Manafort did something really heinous, then this whole charade comes crashing down.

Your first paragraph is such BS. Nothing would empower Trump more than to let the process play out if he is innocent. An innocent man would bend over backwards to be of service because he knew it would prove his innocence. He would be able to tell everyone and their brother to shove it if Mueller's investigation came back and he was found innocent. He KNOWS that can't happen which is why he is doing everything he can to sully the investigation. Funny how everyone loved Robert Mueller initially...Gingrich, all of them. They loved him because he was a Republican, but now that they see he has integrity and will not just give another Republican a pass, he's corrupt. When you can't win against the facts, you attack the fact bringers...in this case Mueller and the press. You are so snowed.

The case against Manafort is extremely solid; 35 witnesses and 500 pieces of evidence. He will be found guilty of multiple things in this go round...money laundering, bank fraud, tax evasion, perhaps other things. I do believe that Mueller needs to get him from a public perception point of view, but you are one of many here who have said Manafort's misdeeds aren't connected to Trump in any way, so if Manafort skates, how does this all "come crashing down"? Manafort is likely to stand trial again when it comes to conspiracy with Russia. THAT one is more important to you Trumpers. A guilty verdict there spells really bad stuff for Don Jr. and the President.

DiscoGary wrote:

Again. It isn't a legal proceeding, it is a political persecution.

Nope. If you want to call it a "political process" and not a "legal proceeding", then you have an argument to make, but to call it a "political persecution" is BS.

Trump isn't being persecuted. He's being investigated because he is suspected of having committed crimes. It's a political process first and foremost because it will likely end up in the Congress to determine his political fate, BUT Mueller could decide to indict Trump anyway and deal with a Supreme Court decision or wait until he is out of office. Also, he could and will indict others wrapped up in this scheme who haven't been already -- Don Jr., Kushner, many others including the already-charged Manafort.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

DG - Looks like the Manafort judge is an Alt-Right snowflake! Doesn't like the word oligarch.

Look I even used FauxNews as a source so you know it's accurate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/01/mueller-team-lectured-by-judge-in-manafort-case.html

DiscoGary wrote:

L L wrote:

If you were facing a potential obstruction of justice charge would you publicly ask the Attorney General to end an investigation that involves you?

I mean, if you were innocent of it?

If I were Trump, yes. Trump fights back against everyone who attacks him. The fact that he is fighting back against this corrupt witch hunt does not mean he's guilty.

Also, Manafort plead not guilty. He's fighting in court on a case that several prosecutors in the past have refused to prosecute because they didn't think they could win. If Mueller can't prove Manafort did something really heinous, then this whole charade comes crashing down.

But how is tweeting for Sessions to end the investigation fighting back?

Trump can simply order Sessions to have Rosenstein end it.

Or he can fire Sessions.

I am trying to understand the purpose of asking by tweet something that he can order in person.

DiscoGary wrote:

agip wrote:

yes, he fights back against all. Including evil entities like Canada, France, the UK and NATO. Great. Super.

it's not a charade - you seem to want to ignore all the dozens of indictments, the many many guilty pleas...why would you want to ignore reality? Oh yea, because your cult leader tells you to. Remember, what you are seeing isn't really happening.

Again. It isn't a legal proceeding, it is a political persecution. You have to fight back against a political persecution or you lose. That's why Trump won. He fights back against all this carp.

no. Manafort is in a legal proceeding. As are all the other people indicted by Mueller or who have plead guilty.

legal proceeding. Federal legal proceeding. Keep repeating that until you understand it.

you are conflating impeaching the president with all this other stuff that is going on. Stay with the truth, DG.

L L wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

If I were Trump, yes. Trump fights back against everyone who attacks him. The fact that he is fighting back against this corrupt witch hunt does not mean he's guilty.

Also, Manafort plead not guilty. He's fighting in court on a case that several prosecutors in the past have refused to prosecute because they didn't think they could win. If Mueller can't prove Manafort did something really heinous, then this whole charade comes crashing down.

But how is tweeting for Sessions to end the investigation fighting back?

Trump can simply order Sessions to have Rosenstein end it.

Or he can fire Sessions.

I am trying to understand the purpose of asking by tweet something that he can order in person.

do you know the expression 'politics is about giving people permission to believe what they already believe?'

in this case Trump is just giving gary types a reason to ignore the mueller investigation and its findings. Trump is building an alternate reality for his base to live in. that tweet is just one more brick.

and it's working for Trump. No way his base will ever believe a single word from the Mueller indictment. They aren't interested in truth, law, rules, norms, facts. They want to roar out and own the libs. that's their politics.

agip wrote:

no. Manafort is in a legal proceeding. As are all the other people indicted by Mueller or who have plead guilty.

legal proceeding. Federal legal proceeding. Keep repeating that until you understand it.

you are conflating impeaching the president with all this other stuff that is going on. Stay with the truth, DG.

Stay with the truth?!? What the heck? Lying Gary has never even been introduced to the concept of truth. How the heII is is he supposed to stay with it?

I get the part how his tweets condition the thoughts of his followers.

But if you are making an obstruction of justice case against him, the tweets are basically documents of evidence.

The investigation is the pursuit of justice.

His tweet is an attempt to obstruct pursuit of that justice.

L L wrote:

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The investigation is the pursuit of justice.

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No it isn't. This has nothing to do with justice, and therefore any push back against it isn't obstruction of justice.

L L wrote:

I get the part how his tweets condition the thoughts of his followers.

But if you are making an obstruction of justice case against him, the tweets are basically documents of evidence.

The investigation is the pursuit of justice.

His tweet is an attempt to obstruct pursuit of that justice.

well the trump position has always been that the president cannot, by definition, obstruct justice. that he has the right to fire anyone in the executive branch at any time for any reason. This is just one manifestation of that.