HOW LONG UNTIL FRATERNITIES ARE BANNED?

The so-called "freedom of association" is really only for groups that are approved of by society at large. There is, for example, the decision of the Supreme Court prohibiting the State of Alabama from circumscribing the activities of the NAACP on freedom of association grounds (citing the 1st and 14th Amendments).

On the other hand, the Court allowed the State of New York to limit the activities of the Klu Klux Klan, with the majority decision including this interesting statement justifying those limitations (Bryant v Zimmerman):

"There are various privileges and immunities which, under our dual system of government, belong to citizens of the United States solely by reason of such citizenship. It is against their abridgement by state laws that the privilege and immunity clause in the Fourteenth Amendment is directed. But no such privilege or immunity is in question here. If to be and remain a member of a secret, oath-bound association within a state be a privilege arising out of citizenship at all, it is an incident of state, rather than United States citizenship, and such protection as is thrown about it by the Constitution is in no wise affected by its possessor being a citizen of the United States."

Fraternities are being depicted as secretive, oath-bound associations that are well-known as being havens for rapists (and bad boys generally). I would say it won't be long before they are banned altogether, but it might depend on how many Republicans Trump manages to get on the Supreme Court.

George Boycott wrote:

I don't know exactly how that works specifically, but schools can and have banned fraternities and have enforced disciplinary measures against individual students who have continued to behave as if they are still members of those banned fraternities.

At most universities, the Greek houses are off-campus and therefore are completely independent. However, the school will have an inter-fraternity council that a house needs to be a member of in order to be recognized by the school. In exchange for paying dues to the council and abiding by the rules it votes on, being recognized means that the fraternity will be listed in the fraternities section of the hosing options section of the the school's official website, have access to the school's list of incoming freshmen, etc. Remember that universities are businesses as the end of the day. The Greek system composes almost the entire student section at football and basketball games, hosts the big parties, etc.

thetruefactmaniac wrote:

The institution of fraternities breeds this idea of masculine superiority

I don't know about that, but I do know about this: sororities shut down over the summer and sorority girls can apply to live in fraternities for extremely cheap (~$400 for the entire summer). That arrangement comes with implicit expectations, I've heard.

comicbookguy wrote:

Great article on Frats and how they work, their history, etc..

If you want to make frats smaller and less influencial you don't ban them, you drop the legal drinking age to 19.

That kills frats.

They are in essence underage drinking clubs. Once people are of legal age they go to clubs and bars like everyone else in the world, only a real loser is at the frat house after age 22.

When I started college, the drinking age was 18. The fraternities were doing just fine. In fact, they may have been doing better because they didn't have to worry so much about underage drinkers in the houses.

jamin wrote:

jamin wrote:

A large fraction of the guys a couple pledge classes above mine are in their early 30s and still getting blacked out at tailgate parties every weekend. Honestly, my house consisted of druggie burnouts, but, from what I can tell, every house is like that, with the only difference being where they fall on the nerd or jock spectrum.

Every fraternity recruiter will say "we work hard and we play hard," but it's all smoke and mirrors. The truth is that 90% either are full-time drinkers/druggies or full-time focused on their studies. The whole "athletics, smart, successful guy who parties" is this ideal that every fraternity member thinks he meets but really doesn't, however he becomes very good at acting the part, and women who can't see through his B.S. are attracted to him.

I was in a fraternity, graduated with honors in STEM major, 14:xx 5000, had short and long-term girlfriends, consumed mass quantities of alcohol.

I thought I would bump this thread given the recent events at Penn State to throw salt in the wounds of the ex Greek's whose sounds won't be able to pay for friends or rape innocent women anymore.

sons* not sounds

I think we should turn over complete control of every aspect of our lives to government overlords. Assigned bureaucratss can dictate to us what to think, what to do, say and with whom we can associate. The assigned compliance agencies will insure no aspect of our thought, speech or action would be offensive or disapproved by any other individual in society. Compliance at all times in all things.

frat runner wrote:

comicbookguy wrote:

Great article on Frats and how they work, their history, etc..

If you want to make frats smaller and less influencial you don't ban them, you drop the legal drinking age to 19.

That kills frats.

They are in essence underage drinking clubs. Once people are of legal age they go to clubs and bars like everyone else in the world, only a real loser is at the frat house after age 22.

When I started college, the drinking age was 18. The fraternities were doing just fine. In fact, they may have been doing better because they didn't have to worry so much about underage drinkers in the houses.

So your experiment of one counters everything in the stats of that article?

You put them on double secret probation.

A lot of the frat guys got connected and got into jobs right away out of college. It's a good networking tool.

I was accepted by a few frats but didn't have the $ to get in at the time. In hindsight, I would have done it for sure and probably had better job connections after college. They even were ok with me not drinking.

frat runner wrote:

comicbookguy wrote:

Great article on Frats and how they work, their history, etc..

If you want to make frats smaller and less influencial you don't ban them, you drop the legal drinking age to 19.

That kills frats.

They are in essence underage drinking clubs. Once people are of legal age they go to clubs and bars like everyone else in the world, only a real loser is at the frat house after age 22.

When I started college, the drinking age was 18. The fraternities were doing just fine. In fact, they may have been doing better because they didn't have to worry so much about underage drinkers in the houses.

Exactly

Dennis T Reynolds wrote:

Wanting to ban all fraternities is like wanting to ban all Islamic people from coming to America.

Whoa...

I would never say they should be banned. I would just not encourage my kid to ever join one. If he did want to, he'd have to find a way to pay for that himself.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Should the track and field program at Arizona be banned?

thetruefactmaniac wrote:

They are basically training grounds for date rape. The culture is disgusting.

3 years over or under?

How long before men's track & field teams at colleges are banned?

Are there any Islamic frat kegger parties?

Just ban hazing