Any one else not buying Cheserek's 'Tempo Run'

Samuel DeChamplain wrote:

"Not you again"

I'm not trying to know Cheserek at all or say he's weak lol, he's clearly the best runner as I've said many times if you actually pay attention. Thing is there's a difference between working hard and easy and looking comfortable and smooth and looking dead, was Ches all out? No I don't think that, was he "doing a tempo" the whole time? Nope.

His 10k pr is like 28:20-28 area, best shape of his life could be 28 and that's a 30 second drop almost, he is not in 27:10 shape.

He is a 13:0x 5000m runner. You really think 28:00 is the best he can do??? You really think a race opening in 15:00 isn't a tempo effort?

I think you just haven't thought this through very well.

they call me flopro wrote:

I would say that was a tempo run for sure keep in mind King Ches ran a 3,50 Mile DMR split 35-40 minutes after winning either the 3 K or the 5 K indoors either last year or the year before i don't remember.

It was not a 3:50 mile. But it was very good and fast.

Come on, if Jenkins ran 13:07 the summer of him turning pro then ches can at least run that. I also know that jenkins ran like 27:45 last year and once again ches is probably better then jenkins. It may not have been a "tempo run" but a 15:00 first 5k is jogging for him and he only had 1 k split under 2:50.

I don't doubt at all he could go under 27:30 on track... isn't 13:18 from like 2 years ago

Did you read my original post? I assume not, I said he wasn't tempoing the whole time and also didn't say he was going all out, I've said a few times his last two miles paces arnt tempo pace because I don't believe he's in low low 27 minute shape especially on a xc course

they call me flopro wrote:

I would say that was a tempo run for sure keep in mind King Ches ran a 3,50 Mile DMR split 35-40 minutes after winning either the 3 K or the 5 K indoors either last year or the year before i don't remember.

3:54

Hard to say what he could go over 10k track but definitely sub 28.

Obviously I think its hard to think that an 8k that would have brought him through 10k in 29:27 was just a tempo. That being said, Ches is an incredible runner who clearly didn't give 100% in that race.

Although not a tempo that one would define as LT running, often we will see racing at a 85-90% effort be considered or called a tempo, really depends on the coach.

Yeah, and in the video one of the announcers was talking about how comfortable he looked and the other guys said he was really working. Which one is it men!

Samuel DeChamplain wrote:

Did you read my original post? I assume not, I said he wasn't tempoing the whole time and also didn't say he was going all out, I've said a few times his last two miles paces arnt tempo pace because I don't believe he's in low low 27 minute shape especially on a xc course

I read your post. It was wrong. Doing the last 2 miles at 4:30 is a tempo effort and does not necessarily mean he is in low 27 minute shape on an xc course. The problem here is your understanding of what tempo is. Your tempo pace for 2 miles is not the same as your tempo pace for 6 miles. There is more than one tempo pace.

Again, why would you no think he is in mid or low 27 minute shape? He is in close to 13:00 shape. The usual ratio is 5k time x2 plus 1:00. Jenkins ran 27:45. Cheserek is way better than him.

Seem to remember Jenkins beating him the last time they ran vs each other maybe I'm wrong though, I guarantee Ches will not break 27:40 or get even close at nationals

Samuel DeChamplain wrote:

Seem to remember Jenkins beating him the last time they ran vs each other maybe I'm wrong though, I guarantee Ches will not break 27:40 or get even close at nationals

Someone knows nothing about the sport to think it's relevant whether ches breaks or gets close to 27:40 at Nats.

Mrr82 wrote:

Samuel DeChamplain wrote:

Seem to remember Jenkins beating him the last time they ran vs each other maybe I'm wrong though, I guarantee Ches will not break 27:40 or get even close at nationals

Someone knows nothing about the sport to think it's relevant whether ches breaks or gets close to 27:40 at Nats.

Yep the point is winning which he will do, alls I said is he isn't in low 27 shape and he isn't not a big deal when he'll win either way like I've said like ten times

Samuel DeChamplain wrote:

Mrr82 wrote:

Someone knows nothing about the sport to think it's relevant whether ches breaks or gets close to 27:40 at Nats.

Yep the point is winning which he will do, alls I said is he isn't in low 27 shape and he isn't not a big deal when he'll win either way like I've said like ten times

Ches has absolutely been in shape to run mid/low 27s. He is better than Chelanga and we all know what he ran.