Bekele/Kipchoge Push Sub 2

Of course they can. All they need is a marathon with major net downhill like St. George or Revel Canyonwood! Get you some of that!!!

No. Don't be an idiot.

Bekele did not run a single 5k split at 2:00:00 pace, so what makes you think he can run 8 of them back to back?

You are a dumb idiot.

How close can they get?-DI

Go go go go!!!! wrote:

No. Don't be an idiot.

Bekele did not run a single 5k split at 2:00:00 pace, so what makes you think he can run 8 of them back to back?

You are a dumb idiot.

You could just debate with the OP rather than making cheap insults that don't add anything.

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I'm not sure they could, it's a lot of time to make up. One half would have to be sub-60. I know it's obvious, but they'd need to be able to run a 60min half at a comfortable pace not race pace. What's Bekele/Kipsang's half PBs?

Pretty sure:

Kipchoge - 59:25

Bekele - 1:00:9

BKMKE wrote:

How close can they get?

-DI

Go go go go!!!! wrote:

No. Don't be an idiot.

Bekele did not run a single 5k split at 2:00:00 pace, so what makes you think he can run 8 of them back to back?

You are a dumb idiot.

Maybe 2:02.

If we were anywhere close to a 2:00 marathon, you would see guys running 2:05 but closing the final 5k in 14:00-14:10. They would be feeling super fresh and be able to kick in a sub-PR race at 2:00 pace or faster.

That has never happened, and we are in no way close to it happening.

Bekele running a sub 2 hour marathon would be the equivalent of him running a 12:18 5k in his prime.

You're also asking him to take as much time off the world record as has been taken off in the last 18 years.

The human race is a couple decades away from a sub 2 marathon, regardless of the recent phenomenal advances in marathon times.

Yes of course. On a treadmill.

Devil Dog wrote:

You're also asking him to take as much time off the world record as has been taken off in the last 18 years.

Haile did it. Also, the historical record progression has no effect on muscles.

Considering that they couldn't hold onto 2:02 pace, I'm sure they feel like 1:59 is no big deal.

They've both shown it's impossible. The greatest runners of the last thousand years have only achieved 2:02:50... Without insane drugs, genetics, and training (even with) there is zero chance.

Komen720 wrote:

They've both shown it's impossible. The greatest runners of the last thousand years have only achieved 2:02:50... Without insane drugs, genetics, and training (even with) there is zero chance.

They are already using insane drugs.

Howlin Woolf wrote:

Considering that they couldn't hold onto 2:02 pace, I'm sure they feel like 1:59 is no big deal.

I don't know about 1:59, but Bekele's performance today was worth ~2:01:36 with more even pacing. Probably closer to 2:01:00 considering Bekele's final 200m was in 32 seconds I think.

Calculated using his km splits from the race results:

Sub 2:02 in Boston is possible with the same conditions as that day they did crazy times, if mutai has ran a 2:04:15 pr these guys are about 1:10 faster, so hypothetically 2:01:52. So basically on a ineligible time course maybe a sub 2:02 which is years away from 2 hours.

stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

I don't know about 1:59, but Bekele's performance today was worth ~2:01:36 with more even pacing. Probably closer to 2:01:00 considering Bekele's final 200m was in 32 seconds I think.

No. It was worth 2:03:03.

Kenenisa himself has said that he does not believe that a sub-2-hour marathon is possible. Therefore, it will definitely not happen for him, and, due to my faith in Kenenisa's ability to "see" the edge of human potential in running because he has been there / is there, I believe it won't happen for anyone.

However, Kenenisa, Destroyer of Worlds, will get a lot closer than the current WR. Between the VDOT equivalent of his WR's (2:00:58), the fact that he produces times that have nice numerology (26:17.53, where 2+6=8, 1+7=8, 5+3=8), and the fact that he has aged, I believe that he will eventually run 2:01:21. You heard it here first.

BKMKE wrote:

Can Bekele and Kipchoge be the two that push a Sub 2 marathon. What race and when? Discuss...

The current record on a fast course could be lowered to 2:02.40 but I think it would then stay largely the same for thirty years.

TrackBOT! VDOT 2:00:00 marathon

VDOT for 2:00:00 42.195km: 86

Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

Marathon: 01:59:53

Half marathon: 00:57:13

15K: 00:39:52

10K: 00:26:03

5K: 00:12:30

3Mi: 00:12:02

2Mi: 00:07:44

3200m: 00:07:41

3K: 00:07:10

1Mi: 00:03:38

1600m: 00:03:36

1500m: 00:03:22

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