Terence Crutcher's hands went down before being shot. He's attempted gun violence against cops before & is ex-con.

Turn it around ; wrote:

Disagreed wrote:

Well that's what we all disagree on. It goes give a cop the right if they're disobeying orders, to the point where they think they're going to attempt to kill them. 100%.

By your reasoning, since cops are trying to kill them, blacks 100% have the right to kill cops.

Why are Blacks not studying? Why do they "cruise" around huddled low in their seats looking for trouble? Damn - Blacks need to study at the library not cruising around. They can get good jobs if they work and study hard/

Turn it around ; wrote:

Disagreed wrote:

Well that's what we all disagree on. It goes give a cop the right if they're disobeying orders, to the point where they think they're going to attempt to kill them. 100%.

By your reasoning, since cops are trying to kill them, blacks 100% have the right to kill cops.

That's why we have a second amendment, so ordinary citizens can protect themselves from overreaching government officials, right?

Hmmmm...so you stopped your car dead center in the road to face oncoming traffic...when the cops showed up you staggered from the side of the road towards your car...when they drew weapons you raised your hands but turned away from them and continued towards your car...and as they kept yelling at you to be still you reached your car lowered your hands as if you might be trying to grab something through the window. Sure. That must happen all the time!

Turn it around ; wrote:

Disagreed wrote:

Well that's what we all disagree on. It goes give a cop the right if they're disobeying orders, to the point where they think they're going to attempt to kill them. 100%.

By your reasoning, since cops are trying to kill them, blacks 100% have the right to kill cops.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would anyone expect a cop to follow orders from a civilian (whether black, white, or yellow)?

Come on BLM supporters, your stupidity is making this too easy to pick holes in your arguments. At least find some smart supporters, give us more of a challenge here. LMAO

ManOverboard wrote:

Hmmmm...so you stopped your car dead center in the road to face oncoming traffic...when the cops showed up you staggered from the side of the road towards your car...when they drew weapons you raised your hands but turned away from them and continued towards your car...and as they kept yelling at you to be still you reached your car lowered your hands as if you might be trying to grab something through the window. Sure. That must happen all the time!

No, but if I had done all these things, the cops likely would have assumed that I was having some sort of medical issue and would not have shot me.

Chin up and Pull up champ wrote:

fancy cinnamon bear wrote:

It literally happens all the time.

Criminals by nature at not the sharpest tools in the shed. They chose not to go to college and instead decided a life of crime was their calling. They have IQs of like 80 often. They don't think too welll. So if 3 cops are aiming at them they are stupid enough to think they can gun them down.

Or they simply want to go down in a blaze of glory. They think they are making some kind of defiant statement by standing up against the police when really they are making idiotic statements.

Was your car in the middle of the road, blocking traffic, with the engine running? Were you non respondent, hiding your hands, walking aimlessly in the street?

I was parked on side of the road once loading some rock in my truck, totally legal, and a cop pulled up behind me with lights on. I was sitting in my truck just about ready to pull away as he approached. He asked for my license and registration. I complied and told him what I was doing asking if it was a problem. He said no problem, but if you are on the road I can check your info. I had no issues and he returned my papers and told me to have a good day. I said Thanks and drove off.

No one was shot.

Umm, never heard of a database buddy? And is there a frequent pattern among most of these high-profile cases (Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Terence Crutcher) of disobeying the police. If I disobeyed police officers fearful for their own safety, I would expect a bad outcome.

The foundational question in this situation is, why were guns pulled in the first place? Black people are pulled over everyday, and 99.99% drive away with their life. What is different here? The SUV was in the middle of the road, so what made the police pull their guns? Something is not adding up, and it lies in the actions before the shooting.

black runner wrote:

His car was broken down you dolt! How does a cop go into gun, helicopter and arrest mode on someone whose car was broken down? You righties are gonzo with the prejudice.

This is a good read here. American whites do not get it at all.

http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-white-america-couldnt-handle-what-black-america-deals-with-every-day-7134994

he was acting strange wrote:

I was parked on side of the road once loading some rock in my truck, totally legal, and a cop pulled up behind me with lights on. I was sitting in my truck just about ready to pull away as he approached. He asked for my license and registration. I complied and told him what I was doing asking if it was a problem. He said no problem, but if you are on the road I can check your info. I had no issues and he returned my papers and told me to have a good day. I said Thanks and drove off.

No one was shot.

TL;DR: It's nice to be white.

This doesn't answer my question... why were guns pulled?

black runner wrote:

This is a good read here. American whites do not get it at all.

http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-white-america-couldnt-handle-what-black-america-deals-with-every-day-7134994

Larry Goldstein wrote:

The foundational question in this situation is, why were guns pulled in the first place? Black people are pulled over everyday, and 99.99% drive away with their life. What is different here? The SUV was in the middle of the road, so what made the police pull their guns? Something is not adding up, and it lies in the actions before the shooting.

The SUV was not working. The police are not disputing that fact.

Betty Shelby had the opportunity to document all of this. She failed to turn on her dashcam camera, violating departmental policy in doing so.

She should not be believed in anything she says happens before the incident started being video taped. She lost the right to that presumption when she chose not to turn on her dashcam.

You're not answering the question, either. There seems to be a trend here.

Again, black people engage with police EVERYDAY, and 99.99% leave with their life. A car broke down in the middle of the road, will not spark an officer to pull their guns, so, why did this situation escalate to that point?

Larry Goldstein wrote:

You're not answering the question, either. There seems to be a trend here.

Again, black people engage with police EVERYDAY, and 99.99% leave with their life. A car broke down in the middle of the road, will not spark an officer to pull their guns, so, why did this situation escalate to that point?

Nobody can answer that. Well, except Betty Shelby, who chose not to document that story and thus shouldn't be believed with whatever she said.

Oh, and maybe Terence Crutcher...oh wait, he's dead...

Larry Goldstein wrote:

This doesn't answer my question... why were guns pulled?

Guns were pulled because the cop was scared. She said he was acting weird like was on drugs and put his hands up before she asked him to.

off base wrote:

Guns were pulled because the cop was scared. She said he was acting weird like was on drugs and put his hands up before she asked him to.

Sure, that's what she said. Of course there were tons of cops who said LaQuan McDonald lunged at a cop with a knife...

Ok, fair enough answer. Thank you. What I'm not able to connect, is that regardless of skin color, if someone's car is broke down, and a cop pulls up, most people would simply wave and greet an officer with an explanation of what is going on.

If she pulled up, and he immediately put his hands in the air, is there not a cause for suspicion, and ultimately, a heightened sense of defense?

I'm not trying to cover for the cop... I'm trying to piece together a progression of how these types of situations (that happen everyday), usually end with no problem. And by usually, I mean, nearly always.

Logic has been introduced to this thread, and it does. lol