How hard would it be for a man to beat every womans world record from 800m to marathon?

bigtool05 wrote:

the xx wrote:

You make a fair point with the "How many Olympic A standards could Ashton Easton get" example, but to claim that a thread pertaining to women's world records has nothing to do with women is rather guileful. I'm not a ridiculous social justice warrior. Just a female hobby jogger who can hold her own against plenty of male hobby joggers, realizing how crappy it feels to keep seeing threads like this. I know it's not about me, and it's possible that I'm projecting a sentiment that isn't actually present, but the overtones in these threads feel unnecessarily scornful at times. That's all.

We're sorry that reality is so disconcerting to you

And The XX is a crap band!

Weird people wrote:

oxodk wrote:

No, you are the idiot if you think it does. Just because the word "women" is there does not mean it has to do with women themselves. Learn some basic reading comprehension. I thought this question and at no point were my thoughts judgmental of women. My thoughts were "can a guy run xx while also being able to run yy time".

No, a guy cannot run XX, because guys are guys and women are woman.

If you want to compare times then just do that, and leave your stupid sexist opinions out of it.

Your first sentence makes no sense. Your second sentence makes no sense. I never made any sexist opinions. You clearly don't know what "sexist" means.

Not really wrote:

10.49 + 2:15 = ??? wrote:

Hahahaha

Seb Coe. 10.4?

Hahahhaahhaaha hahahaha wow

Even 2:15 would be a stretch.

He could run 11 flat off 800m training @ 59kg. Add 15kg of muscle and only do 100m specific training and taking half a second off that doesn't really seem that crazy

I'm judging this on my own PRs and I was very far from elite even at the college level...

I got the 800,1500, and 5k

3k off by 14 sec

10k I'm off by 30 seconds,

Half marathon off by 3 minutes,

400 I'm off by .4

200 off by .9

100 of by 1 sec.

Never ran the marathon

I imagine an elite 800-1500 runner comes very close during their running career if they move up to the marathon eventually. I bet if a sprinter turned distance runner could do this over the course of 6-10 years.

Yr 1 - Run 10.4 and 21.3 (then start putting those miles in)

Yr. 2 - run 47.4

Yr 3-5 run 1:53.0 3:50, and 8:05

Yr 6-7 14:10 and 29:17

Yr. 7-10run 1:05 and 2:15

Totally possible for a skinny sprinter turned distance runner to do the women's WR cycle.

400m is not in the title stop going on about it!

Very difficult ~/ wrote:

Manvsrecords wrote:

how hard would it be to train to beat every woman's WR from 800m to marathon?

Very difficult !/ wrote:

No man could do it, because men are not women.

glub glub glub wrote:

So you didn't watch the Olympics?

Yes, I sure did, and didn't see any men who broke women's world records.

I did see some guys in women's events, but they aren't women.

Not sure what you are arguing but the OP did not say 'set' the women's record, he said 'beat it'. Lots of men can beat those times.

Ummm any of the top marathoners can already do this

In fact, they could probably break all those records within a single marathon

If Dennis Kimmetto went out fast for the first 800 of his marathon WR, he would've done it

Actually yes it does wrote:

oxodk wrote:

This thread has nothing to do with judging women.

You're an idiot if you think that it doesn't.

This thread is judging men, not women. I cannot beat ANY of the women's WRs, or ARs for that matter. Am I supposed to feel offended or persecuted because the OP started a thread in order to shame men like me?

Outlaw the Waffle biscuit wrote:

I'm judging this on my own PRs and I was very far from elite even at the college level...

I got the 800,1500, and 5k

3k off by 14 sec

10k I'm off by 30 seconds,

Half marathon off by 3 minutes,

400 I'm off by .4

200 off by .9

100 of by 1 sec.

Never ran the marathon

I imagine an elite 800-1500 runner comes very close during their running career if they move up to the marathon eventually. I bet if a sprinter turned distance runner could do this over the course of 6-10 years.

Yr 1 - Run 10.4 and 21.3 (then start putting those miles in)

Yr. 2 - run 47.4

Yr 3-5 run 1:53.0 3:50, and 8:05

Yr 6-7 14:10 and 29:17

Yr. 7-10run 1:05 and 2:15

Totally possible for a skinny sprinter turned distance runner to do the women's WR cycle.

You're missing both the extreme ends of the spectrum by considerable margins. 10.49 and 2:15 are both really fast--times like that require a person--male or female--to have exceedingly specialized body types and muscle fiber compositions, likely beyond the extent that more training will get you.

I don't believe most elite 800/1500 guys have the ability to move up to a marathon and run 2:15 at any point in their lives--the same ability that lets them run 50-53 or close a 3:45 race with a 50 is the kind of thing that would prevent them from running 26 miles at 5 minute pace. I'd venture to say that most men cannot train for and run a 2:15 marathon--that's top ~0.1% talent or better.

Again, I also don't think you get just how fast 10.49 is. That's the kind of time that most people--including most mid/distance elites--don't have the physical makeup to ever hit.

I don't believe any modern male athlete could get every women's WR from 100 - marathon. The talent required for 10.49 is so radically different from what's required for 2:15. If we take the 10.61 that's likely the accurate women's 100WR, someone like Rudisha might be able to get from 100 - 10k over the course of his life, but I think even that's a stretch--and the half/full marathon wouldn't be close.

Without the 400m, it isn't remotely interesting. You need to be a elite male runner (say a 4:00 miler or so) but pretty much every person that ran the olympic trials in the 5k for example could do this.

You, are a rare breed on this site.

Most of Letsrun thinks sprinters are just undertrained distance runners. You won't be convincing anyone here that a 10.4 guy can't run a 2:15 marathon (extremely hilarious proposition).

Any elite Male marathon runner either can or has already done it.

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Any male who can break 2:15 can do it.

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TrackB0t wrote:

LtM wrote:

Many world class male runners could break every women's 800-marathon in a three day period.

Pretty much. Not sure if any of them could run the 47.6 though need to get the 400m while still able to get the marathon. A guy like Webb might have been close (i.e. when you can run sub 28, running 2:15 is possible but not automatic)

Ok.

1) The post is about 800 through 26.2 and yet you are talking about the 400.

2) Counting a roided up women's 400 record isn't right as roided women = men.

I take this to be like the questions about the differences between different sorts of runners. There are a bunch of these threads: Will Bolt beat Farah at 1500? Who wins at 1000, Kiprop or Rudisha? How much of a head start does Dibaba need in a 200 with Schippers? And so on. I'm not sure I see how these imply that one type of runner is better than another. We know men and women are different. This is a way to ask "How different are they?"

That said, the answer depends on whether "every" really is "every." Does it include the Steeple? The 1000 and Two Mile? Any road races besides the Marathon and 1/2?

According to the IAAF, Rupp has run faster than the women's record for the 800, 1500, Mile, 3000, 5000, 10,000, 1/2 Marathon and Marathon.

Since he probably won't ever run the Steeplechase, this seems like the best we can do.

PS This might be a useful way to find someone's "best" event. They are best when they are "closest" to the world record. I can imagine a bunch of ways of measuring "close."

Rod Dixon has done them all. You can't really include the steeple since women don't do the same event.

soft male wrote:

Rod Dixon has done them all.

I was about to suggest Mo Farah as a good current example, but yes Rod Dixon is proof of the question in the OP

Dixon's times:

800 m 1:47.6

1500 m 3:33.89

Mile 3:53.62

3000m 7:43.46

5000 m 13:17.27

10000 m 28:11.0

Half marathon 1:02:12

Marathon 2:08:59

Women's world records:

800 m 1:53.28

1500 m 3:50.07

Mile 4:12.56

3000 m 8:06.11

5000 m 14:11.15

10,000 m 29:17.45

Half marathon 1:05:09

Marathon (mixed gender) 2:15:25

Marathon (vs women only) 2:17:42

That's a guy whose last best time was set in 1983, compared with today's women's world records.

Admittedly there's 9 years between his 1500m & Marathon times, so I think the only question is whether someone like Mo Farah could do it within a short period of time.

Augusto E. Perez wrote:

Rupp (among others) could run them all, 800m to the marathon, in a calendar year.

800, 1500, 3000m in one workout (Monday)

Steeple 2 days later (Wednesday)

5000, 10000m in another workout (HM-style workout) 2 days later (Friday)

Marathon (on Sunday) as long tempo run (he was said to have run 20 miles at 4:58 pace or something like that)

It might be pushing it to do it in one week, and he might need hurdle training to accomplish the Steeple record, but remember that this guy ran 13:01 indoors and then set about 5 x 1600m in 4:20, 4:20, 4:20, 4:20, 4:01.

That kind of effort could have been parsed out differently to produce a 14:10 5k, 29:15 10k and then a 1:53 800m in the same day. Perhaps all in the same hour. Those are all women's WRs.

Not really wrote:

Quite a lot of people have managed this. I certainly wouldn't say it was impossible to get a clean sweep from 100 to marathon. It would have to be an 800m runner and clearly a very large shift in training would be required between the 100 and marathon, but I wouldn't rule it out.

It would not "have to be an 800m runner" and as great as someone like Clayton Murphy is he could not run a 2:15:00 without a block of specific training.

Geb in his prime, Bekele in his prime, Mamede in his prime, Hell, even Chris Fox in his prime could do this. There have been hundreds if not thousands of men that could do this over the last 50 yrs. Basically, every man who has run a 3:59 mile and has good endurance.

The biggest challenge to the male distance runner would be the 1:53 800m.

Not really wrote:

10.49 + 2:15 = ??? wrote:

Hahahaha

Seb Coe. 10.4?

Hahahhaahhaaha hahahaha wow

Even 2:15 would be a stretch.

He could run 11 flat off 800m training @ 59kg. Add 15kg of muscle and only do 100m specific training and taking half a second off that doesn't really seem that crazy

33 lbs of muscle? Yikes, he would look like Kratochvilova and maybe be as heavy.