Take those bananas wrote:
Emelie wrote:Kilian ain't no pvssyfooter pavement runner.
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Congrats on your win last weekend Emelie!!
Take those bananas wrote:
Emelie wrote:Kilian ain't no pvssyfooter pavement runner.
Zing!!!!!!!
Congrats on your win last weekend Emelie!!
Reinhold wrote:
Kjeasydoesit wrote:Honestly he'll easily do it the mountain is not that technical ...the weather can be epic etc. but he's been in the mountains a ton....I think he knows what he's up for ....tons of normal pedestrians make it to the summit is definitely not impossible for that challenging if the weather is solid. The actual vertical gain... isn't that high... He's done some simlar efforts although not on Everest but I have a feeling he knows exactly what he's in for. Technically I think he's probably pretty reasonable climber if not excellent and obviously he's a pretty amazing endurance athlete again maybe not a sub to 2:10 marathoner but again that's not what he trains for... I'm pretty sure you'll absolutely destroy the record he just needs a weather window.
Love it or hate it he's a beast in the mountains which is what he does. Again if you took all the best sub to 2:10 marathon runners and ask them to run up Everest not one of them could do it and keep up with KJ.
So yes he can't run a marathon with them and yes they can't run up Everest with him ...different sports different athletes.
Amen. That anyone on this board is trying to correlate world class marathoning to Everest is farcical. That said, I've met Killian and watched him race in person - I'd estimate him at 2:15-2:20ish if he ever actually trained for it, which he won't, moot point.
Anyone who's watched clips of his "casual" training in the Alps - ripping extreme ski lines, running/climbing technical routes, and etc... knows he's more than prepared for mountain terrain. First week of July this year he "doubled" Mt Blanc in a single day (12 hours ish?). That's nearly 12,400' elevation gain for a single trip (similar or more than Everest depending which base camp), and nearly 25,000 for the double. Staggering! It is somewhat difficult to imagine anyone has ever shown up at Everest with a higher level of physical conditioning.
By doubling, does that mean he turned back around at Tete Rousse, or went all the way back to Les Houches? Perhaps another route?
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Way to go bob wrote:
Are you Jon Orange? I ask based on your inability to think outside of something you might have read online.I am an engineer so it is easier for me to explain in graphs than words. Maybe you would understand the concept better if I said it is a decay function. Whether growth or decay is still an exponential change.
The tables on this page give the specific numbers regarding the reduction in effective O2 as elevation increases and if graphed illustrate what I am trying to say.
http://www.higherpeak.com/altitudechart.htmlHold up. Also an engineer here, but I'm not following you. Not saying you're wrong, just not following.
Based on the data you provided, climbing from 0 to 4,000 ft. has a greater impact on effective oxygen % than climbing from 25,000 ft. to 29,000 ft.
Between 4,000 and 0 ft.
17.9 - 20.9 = -3.0
Between 29,000 and 25,000 ft.
6.9 - 8.1 = -1.2
So wouldn't the opposite of what you're saying be true? Because it's a decay function, wouldn't the effective oxygen % be affected LESS as you go higher?
This has nothing to do with what Dumb Dumb was posting (these ARE exponential changes vs. linear changes), but I just wanted to clarify the point that you're making.
Either way, I think KJ is in over his head. The guy is unreal in the mountains, but 29,000 ft. is a whole different beast. Hoping he will be smart enough to turn back before the muddled thinking of 28,000+ ft. and/or HAPE/HACE sets in. Would hate to see something happen to such an amazing trail runner and mountaineer.
Don't go by the % O2 on this chart, that is just a percentage based on required fraction of O2 at sea level ambient pressure to get the same effect as natural altitude. Going to altitude doesn't affect %O2 you are breathing in, just lower atmospheric pressure lower the partial pressure of oxygen making it more difficult to move oxygen into the blood (lower pressure gradient into the body).
Going to increasing elevation when already at high altitude can be a greater impact than the same elevation change at lower altitude depending on what the partial pressure of oxygen is, based mostly around the oxy-hemoglobin disassociation curve (http://www.frca.co.uk/images/ODC_3.jpg). Until you get onto the steep portion of the curve the effects of decreased PiO2 are more limited. On Everest, at the summit the PiO2 is closer to 43 (~140mmHg at sea level) so you are significantly down the curve making it more difficult to get O2 into the blood.
So technically the effects of elevation changes are more magnified at high altitude.
[quote]death is possible wrote:
maybe he'll get snow blindness. or frostbite and lose some digits. or pulmonary edema. or fall down the 3000m icy col
those are just some of the risks
what an arrogant idiot. it often times doesn't matter how fit you are. some bodies can handle the altitude, others cannot and don't make it past 25,000'
i hope he survives but is terribly humbled.[/quotep
Pathetic. Say your prayer and go to bed. Remember, never post again.
Come on letsrun! Get out there and make sure this is legit!! This is Robert Young of the mountains. We've gotta catch his RV with him in it going up Everest. What's the speed limit on that road?
Jornet started climbing mountains when he was 3 years old. He didn't start ultrarunning until he was much older.
I never knew about this Karl Egloff guy, I thought Kilian was a once in a lifetime mountain running specimen but this guy can beat Kilian by an hour?
Thank you for explaining this.Physiology wrote:
Way to go bob wrote:
Don't go by the % O2 on this chart, that is just a percentage based on required fraction of O2 at sea level ambient pressure to get the same effect as natural altitude. Going to altitude doesn't affect %O2 you are breathing in, just lower atmospheric pressure lower the partial pressure of oxygen making it more difficult to move oxygen into the blood (lower pressure gradient into the body).
Going to increasing elevation when already at high altitude can be a greater impact than the same elevation change at lower altitude depending on what the partial pressure of oxygen is, based mostly around the oxy-hemoglobin disassociation curve (http://www.frca.co.uk/images/ODC_3.jpg). Until you get onto the steep portion of the curve the effects of decreased PiO2 are more limited. On Everest, at the summit the PiO2 is closer to 43 (~140mmHg at sea level) so you are significantly down the curve making it more difficult to get O2 into the blood.
So technically the effects of elevation changes are more magnified at high altitude.
Flounder wrote:
it wasn't enough to effect the curve.
And he used "effect" correctly, unlike some ;)
Flounder wrote:
Thank you for explaining this.
Physiology wrote:
So technically the effects of elevation changes are more magnified at high altitude.
It's no secret Killian is a doper. Ask people about his transfusion packs found after a training camp in Switzerland and also in chamonix a few years back!
Also, this Karl Egloff guy is a doper clearly too. Neither of them compete at events with strict or legit drug testing. Karl chases fkt attempts just as Killian does, and why? No anti doping.
Would be interesting if Killian was drug tested before and after his everest attempt. 10 bucks says he tests positive if wada does the testing! Who wanna take the bet?
surprised wrote:
I never knew about this Karl Egloff guy, I thought Kilian was a once in a lifetime mountain running specimen but this guy can beat Kilian by an hour?
Egloff´s background is mountainbiking and climbing, not running.
A lot of silly comments on this thread knocking his achievements. I am not sure that you appreciate how good a runner KJ is. Just to give you some perspective, Jonathan Wyatt who moved to the mountains after a distance running career that included 6th place at the commonwealth games in 2.14, holds the majority of the significant mountain running records. If you look at the all time records of a race like Sierre Zinal you will see that KJ is very close to these marks.
KJ = Mountain DK
Truthhurtz wrote:
It's no secret that I am an idiot doper.
Clearly you are not a mountain runner? Killian is no where near any of jono wyatt records. He is over 2mins off the sierre Zinal record which he ran with perfect conditions having rabbits pushing the pace early on from what I saw. Jono ran his time alone. Also Killian isn't even the best uphill mountain runner in both long ascents and short vertical kilometer events. Killian lost to Bernard Dematis many times in vertical kilometer of Italy. Kj went for record at Skaala op mountain race in Norway which jono has record also, Kj was not even close and lost to Joe gray of USA, Stian angermund of Norway. Also he race at limone extreme, there an Eritrean name mamo beat him easily barely breathing at end.
Please stop saying this guy killian is the best, get real!! He is a great ultra mountain runner due to lack of competition
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