Question about STOP signs

Maybe, just maybe he's Rojo? wrote:

thejeff wrote:

1. I forgive you.

2. That is kind of what I thought… I wonder if that would hold up in court?

Please be nice to Rojo. He is running royalty after all. Plus, he has been forced by his better half to live in the anus of the USA (aka Baltimore, MD)....I honestly just feel bad for him.

LOL! +1.

thejeff wrote:

SelfSufficient wrote:

Depends on your state and the actual vehicle code section's wording. Look up yours by doing this:

1. Open a web browser;

2. Surf to Google.com;

3. Find the open text field in the middle of the page;

4. Type in the following (without quotation marks): "Text of (insert your state's name here) stop sign law;

5. Read the results;

6. Feel enlightened and accomplished by doing something yourself without asking millions (okay, Jamin and 12 others) to do something for you.

My State: "...shall stop at a clearly marked stop line..."

So, now we just need to determine the definition of "at".

The painted white line.

If there is no line, parallel to your sign. Really not that complicated - we all learned this when we were 15...

TBH my problem is much more with the people who think that a stop sign is a suggestion.

At a stop sign you will bring your vehicle to a *complete* stop--no forward movement AT ALL. You will stop before the stop line or, if there isn't a stop line, before the stop sign. Then you will check all directions for other motor vehicles, cyclists, and pedestrians; and, when it seems safe, proceed with caution.

That's every time. EVERY SINGLE TIME. You will not "judge" when you need to come to a complete stop; you will come to a complete stop EVERY SINGLE TIME, even when you *know* that all roads are clear of vehicular and foot traffic. That's what a stop sign means.

Only once have I received a ticket for running a stop sign. Ive likely saved hundreds of dollars in wear and tear on my brakes as well as increased fuel economy by rolling stop signs when possible.

Seems like I'm ahead so far.

BRF wrote:

TBH my problem is much more with the people who think that a stop sign is a suggestion.

At a stop sign you will bring your vehicle to a *complete* stop--no forward movement AT ALL. You will stop before the stop line or, if there isn't a stop line, before the stop sign. Then you will check all directions for other motor vehicles, cyclists, and pedestrians; and, when it seems safe, proceed with caution.

That's every time. EVERY SINGLE TIME. You will not "judge" when you need to come to a complete stop; you will come to a complete stop EVERY SINGLE TIME, even when you *know* that all roads are clear of vehicular and foot traffic. That's what a stop sign means.

To be completely honest, that seems legalistic. You can easily do everything you said at intersections with good visibility while nearly{/i] coming to a complete stop.

Are we worried about the letter of the law or the spirit of the law?

thejeff wrote:

To be completely honest, that seems legalistic. You can easily do everything you said at intersections with good visibility while nearly{/i] coming to a complete stop.

Are we worried about the letter of the law or the spirit of the law?

I'm not really worried about either, to be perfectly honest with you.

Relaxed Man wrote:

thejeff wrote:

To be completely honest, that seems legalistic. You can easily do everything you said at intersections with good visibility while nearly coming to a complete stop.

Are we worried about the letter of the law or the spirit of the law?

I'm not really worried about either, to be perfectly honest with you.

Is that a statement on my use of the word "worried"?

Or are you telling us that you are a criminal?

You're "Special Driver" sticker is coming in the mail. Better stay home and wait for it. It will give you all sorts of exemptions. Can speed when there's no cops around (or stop at any stop signs), parallel park across as many as 4 parking spaces, and an exemption that allows you to post on Lets run while you drive.

thejeff wrote:

Relaxed Man wrote:

I'm not really worried about either, to be perfectly honest with you.

Is that a statement on my use of the word "worried"?

Or are you telling us that you are a criminal?

Why couldn't it be both?

Don't worry wrote:

You're "Special Driver" sticker is coming in the mail. Better stay home and wait for it. It will give you all sorts of exemptions. Can speed when there's no cops around (or stop at any stop signs), parallel park across as many as 4 parking spaces, and an exemption that allows you to post on Lets run while you drive.

Golly gee, that sounds swell.

No, seriously.

PS- I count 6 grammatical errors in the above post. Can anyone catch'em all??

thejeff wrote:

To be completely honest, that seems legalistic. You can easily do everything you said at intersections with good visibility while nearly coming to a complete stop.

Strangely enough, from some of your posts on other threads I'd gotten the impression that you might be a law & order kind of guy. But perhaps that only applies to laws that you find convenient.

In any case: I'm a pretty safe and careful driver (never gotten a moving-violation ticket, etc.), but on at least one, maybe two, occasions during my decades of driving, I would have killed (or very seriously injured) people who came "totally out of nowhere!"...were it not for my stopping completely at stop signs every time I encounter them, regardless of whether I think I "need" to or not.

In my opinion anyone who doesn't come to a *complete* stop at EVERY stop sign is a danger to others and should lose her/his driving privileges.

I see where you are coming from :-)

I wouldn't say "laws that (I) find convenient", lol. I just believe more in the spirit of the law than the letter of the law. If the spirit of the law is to prevent wrecks, and you can clearly see that no cars are coming...

But, my OP isn't so much about whether we should stop at STOP signs; I am asking what constitutes a "stop".