"Mo Farah could never run 12:37/39/40/45/50"

Truth...... wrote:

yesssum wrote:

Well, then I too have been in sub26:40 shape and sub3:29 shape because that is my opinion. Which by extension means I'm capable of running 7:23 3k and 12:45 5k. Man, I can't believe I'm the GOAT of distance! That's fantastic news.

I love it when people use opinions instead of facts to try to prove things that never happened. You just made me the best distance runner ever! I can't wait to tell people. And if they deny it I'll just say they're wrong because they are using pre-middle school logic, silly idiots!

Are you bat-shit? IQ of 70? Anyone using basic deduction from how his 26:46 unfolded knows he was in sub 26:40 shape. You on the other hand are just dumb....

"Farah could totally run times he never did you guys are all dumb children I'm way smarter na na na na 🙈🙉"

- the level Farah fuccbois are reduced to in arguments

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All the dope and "potential" in the world but Mo only time trials 2mi indoors and the 1500.

Lemme know when he practically solo's a sub-7:30 / sub-12:45 / sub-26:40 / or actually does something in the marathon (that aren't imaginary times--- and where he ACTUALLY was and who was coaching him leading up to it)

If MO was in sub 26:40 shape he would have run it.

yesssum wrote:

Well, then I too have been in sub26:40 shape and sub3:29 shape because that is my opinion. Which by extension means I'm capable of running 7:23 3k and 12:45 5k. Man, I can't believe I'm the GOAT of distance! That's fantastic news.

I love it when people use opinions instead of facts to try to prove things that never happened. You just made me the best distance runner ever! I can't wait to tell people. And if they deny it I'll just say they're wrong because they are using pre-middle school logic, silly idiots!

That is what Jon Orange does.

Jon Orange is an idiot and a moron.

He is completely full of s*hit.

Olympic Truth also has all of those qualities.

Rme wrote:

If MO was in sub 26:40 shape he would have run it.

/EOT

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By the same infallible logic spewed throughout this thread KB could have run 12:33 and 26:09 --- since he OBVIOUSLY was AT WORST in WR shape when he set the actual WRs--- thus putting Mo Syringes that much further behind the GOAT. And thus making this whole thread an even bigger waste of time.

Nobody is in shape to run a time that they have not actually ran. And even then, they're only confirmed by the clock to have been in that shape during the run, not at any other time. They're not going to take 30 minutes rest and do it again, and they might never be able to.

Rme wrote:

If MO was in sub 26:40 shape he would have run it.

Dumb.

A guy who runs behind the leader and wins in the kick will always run 1-2 seconds faster than the competition.

Farah won't run 26:39 unless someone else runs 26:40.

doot doot wrote:

Rme wrote:

If MO was in sub 26:40 shape he would have run it.

/EOT

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By the same infallible logic spewed throughout this thread KB could have run 12:33 and 26:09 --- since he OBVIOUSLY was AT WORST in WR shape when he set the actual WRs--- thus putting Mo Syringes that much further behind the GOAT. And thus making this whole thread an even bigger waste of time.

I expected a great thing… which is that... doot doot is exactly correct…again.

I am not surprised at all.

Abbey D'Agostino (Superhero) wrote:

doot doot wrote:

/EOT

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By the same infallible logic spewed throughout this thread KB could have run 12:33 and 26:09 --- since he OBVIOUSLY was AT WORST in WR shape when he set the actual WRs--- thus putting Mo Syringes that much further behind the GOAT. And thus making this whole thread an even bigger waste of time.

I expected a great thing… which is that... doot doot is exactly correct…again.

I am not surprised at all.

I ❤️ u, rjm.

Only you and I know the truth. I deserve a flair for all the crusading for decency that I'm forced to do around here.

Ahh glad I'm not the only one posting non-crazy things on this thread. These Mo-lovers like to make up any ol' pretend stuff to try and prove their nonsensical ideas.

yesssum wrote:

Ahh glad I'm not the only one posting non-crazy things on this thread. These Mo-lovers like to make up any ol' pretend stuff to try and prove their nonsensical ideas.

~It sure is Ventolin in here 👍🏼

implying that Ge ran 26:5x at age 40-43?

Agreed. Kamworor ran 13 flat (yeah yea 12:59.98) this year.

12:50 seems far away.

doot doot wrote:

Abbey D'Agostino (Superhero) wrote:

I expected a great thing… which is that... doot doot is exactly correct…again.

I am not surprised at all.

I ❤️ u, rjm.

Only you and I know the truth. I deserve a flair for all the crusading for decency that I'm forced to do around here.

Well that's confirmed my suspicions. rjm33 and doot doot are the same moron.

As for this discussion about PB's, of course a runner can be in better shape than their PB. I know people don't like to think about that with regards to Mo Farah, but imagine it for yourself. The day was windy, you ran a 60 last lap off a slow pace and the first two laps were deadly fast. Are you going to walk away stating, "It is inconcievable for me to run any faster than that time I recorded today, that is my ability and to run any faster I need several weeks of training"? Does not make sense.

As for KB, yes he very well may have been able to run faster than his WRs. Canova believes he could have broken 26 minutes. Bolt and his coach reckon sub 19 was possible for him at one time. MJ and his coach believed sub 43 was possible but he eased up when he knew he had won. These are statements based upon details of their training. Not just random tidbits from Letsrunners.

Point is, it is very rare for an athlete to finish their career having achieved the maximum performance they could possibly have achieved.

Farah is very much in that category. He never tries for fast times I can only assume because he does not want to risk losing in what seems a maximal effort. That would be very bad for his air of untouchable, going into important championships.

Think of Kiprop losing to Kiplagat when trying to break the WR. Think of Guerrouj very nearly losing to Ngeny in his mile WR despite running to his full at that moment. These are situations that ended up being bad for the respective athletes. Especially Guerrouj if you don't know the story.

Metric Miler wrote:

Farah is very much in that category. He never tries for fast times I can only assume because he does not want to risk losing in what seems a maximal effort. That would be very bad for his air of untouchable, going into important championships.

So you are saying that Farah is a big wuss and is too scared to run fast because he might lose that way so instead he just runs in slow races and sits and kicks. Man, what a champion! no wait, that's not the right word...

yesssum wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Farah is very much in that category. He never tries for fast times I can only assume because he does not want to risk losing in what seems a maximal effort. That would be very bad for his air of untouchable, going into important championships.

So you are saying that Farah is a big wuss and is too scared to run fast because he might lose that way so instead he just runs in slow races and sits and kicks. Man, what a champion! no wait, that's not the right word...

If you wanna think of it that way then go ahead.

Ngeny hung onto Guerrouj in the mile WR, he learned that day he could trade blows with El G. He got the confidence that day that lead him to believe in himself that he could best El G, that he can go toe to toe with him. He did that in the Olympics following and won.

Farah is a master tactician. His competitors right now, the people that actually line up against Farah, all have a small-large doubt that they can beat him. They don't have the confidence to take it out for fear of not only losing but being swallowed by the whole pack and not medalling.

This is the result of Farah's and Salazar's plan. You can't say it doesn't work. He keeps his cards close to his chest and goes for the win when it matters.

yesssum wrote:

His 5k and 10k PRs are from 2011. He's only broke 13 once in the past 4 years.

Bekele went from 12:52 to 12:37 the year he turned 22.

Geb went from 12:56 to 12:44 the year he turned 22.

Kipchoge went from 12:52 to 12:46 when he was 19.

Gebremeskel went from 12:53 to 12:46 when he was 22.

Sihine went from 13:06 to 12:47 the year he turned 21.

Farah is 33.

This is essentially immaterial; from 28 to 33 he has been completely dominant at 5000m. Obviously the historical pattern is for athletes to run their fastest time at an earlier age, but that is only that, a pattern.

It's true that financial incentives have been encouraging east African elite distance runners to the road rather than track in recent years; there is an argument that this devalues his 6 years of 5000m dominance. It doesn't seem plausible to me that all the talent in 5000m running suddenly evaporated in around 2005 though.

EPO testing came in around 2000; the bio passport came in around 2009 (?). Corruption, lack of funds and incompetence mean doping in modern era has hardly gone away as a threat anyway. Considering the results when athletes in the modern era really get after it (Paris 2012), it's likely that the talent is much the same right now, with the difference in times being down to the absence of Komen, Gebrselassie and Bekele to chase.

Farah's career strategy has been to chase wins and titles and not time trial. Yes, this is irritating for many of us, as our sport is as much about human limits as man-v-man competition, but one can't deny its success, both physiologically (still at his peak at 33) and psychologically (opposition completely under his thumb).

The three named above may still be regarded as the best 5000m runners we've seen given their total body of work, but Farah's domination of his era makes it a preposterous assertion that his best 5000m ability is less than that of Gebremeskel, Koech and so on.

There's only one Farah "fanboy" on here, tony the tiger, and whether he's being genuine is an open question. Mo isn't my favourite runner by a long shot. But doubting his 5000m ability is very silly.

Bekele and geb could have run faster with better pacing. In both their records their pacemaker sucked and dropped out way early. So then if mo Farah was given superlative pacing (more than one pacer and up to 4k/4200m) he could break the world record that was set with lousy pacing. There just haven't been as many fast and well paced races/time trials/ record attempts on the circuit in mo Farahs championship years than in the years of all the names we are familiar with. The only fast 5k I can remember in recent times is Paris 2012 with all those dudes under 12:50 inc gebriwhet and gebremeskel at 12:46 to 12:47. Mo Farah is a superlative 1500m to half marathon runner. This thread's logic is very flawed.

doot doot wrote:

Abbey D'Agostino (Superhero) wrote:

I expected a great thing… which is that... doot doot is exactly correct…again.

I am not surprised at all.

I ❤️ u, rjm.

Only you and I know the truth. I deserve a flair for all the crusading for decency that I'm forced to do around here.

That is just what an American (or Kiwi) Superheroâ„¢ like you or me does. It comes naturally to us... like exposing Paula Radcliffe as a Brit SuperDoperCheaterLiarâ„¢. It is really fun as well.

Metric Miler is very jealous about this photo of us together.

There will be no more "bingo" for Metric Miler.

Oh well.

Renato Canova wrote:

Don't think the real value of Mo is 12'53". He ran already 12'57" in 2010, when we worked together for some month in Iten, in Zurich, and now is very much stronger, after going to Salazar. To think can run near 12'40" is something reasonable, such as the possibility of running under 26'30" in 10000m.