Assuming they trained well. The 9:15 was on 80 mpw mostly at 7:40 pace.
Assuming they trained well. The 9:15 was on 80 mpw mostly at 7:40 pace.
corbin handprint wrote:
Assuming they trained well. The 9:15 was on 80 mpw mostly at 7:40 pace.
Not sure about average as many high school guys don't continue to run but certainly in the sub 2:20 range.
Well its common knowlege that Brian Sell was a 10:05 high school two-miler. He ran his 2:10 PR in his late 20s. Had he continued to improve, and PR at 30 he could have run 2:08. Had he been a 9:15 guy in high school he surely would have run 2:05. There ya go. 2:05.
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corbin handprint wrote:
Assuming they trained well. The 9:15 was on 80 mpw mostly at 7:40 pace.
Those are such two very different animals. Just really no way to know unless you train and do it.
Even when comparing 3200 to 5000, you can't even tell. I've seen HS kids with 9:15 3200 PRs who couldn't break 16:00 for 5k in CC and then kids who ran only 9:35 who could run 15:30 for 5k in CC.
Just can't tell.
Fact: No one has ever gotten a tattoo to commemorate running a 9:15 3200m. If you can run a BQ, that is next level serious and you will be a legend for life.
If they can handle the training to run over 13 TIMES longer than 2-miles, and monitor their nutrition, hydration, foot strike, breathing and sleep cycles, maybe they would have a chance of getting to the big show.
This will be the dumbest question I see all week.
Reaganomics wrote:
This will be the dumbest question I see all week.
First thread you saw and you don't plan on coming back?
The average 9:15 guy ~2:23.40 marathon from the vdot charts. Most guys will get some improvement and be more like a 2:20 guys with a few turning into 2:15 and some guys who can not handle the event being 2:25. Of course the reality is that just about 0 of 9:15 guys are going to train properly for the marathon for the next 12 years. A good chunk will try to run a fast 5/10k over the next 4 years and maybe a year or two after college but then life does them in
TrackBot! VDOT 9:15 3200m
VDOT for 9:15 3.2km: 69.6
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 02:23:48
Half marathon: 01:08:39
15K: 00:47:45
10K: 00:31:08
5K: 00:14:59
3Mi: 00:14:26
2Mi: 00:09:19
3200m: 00:09:15
3K: 00:08:37
1Mi: 00:04:21
1600m: 00:04:19
1500m: 00:04:02
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TrackB0t wrote:
Reaganomics wrote:This will be the dumbest question I see all week.
First thread you saw and you don't plan on coming back?
The average 9:15 guy ~2:23.40 marathon from the vdot charts. Most guys will get some improvement and be more like a 2:20 guys with a few turning into 2:15 and some guys who can not handle the event being 2:25. Of course the reality is that just about 0 of 9:15 guys are going to train properly for the marathon for the next 12 years. A good chunk will try to run a fast 5/10k over the next 4 years and maybe a year or two after college but then life does them in
So you're basically saying that an OT Marathon qualifying time is very achievable for someone who was in the 9:15 range at 17-18 yrs?
Would you say that qualifying for the OT 1500m/5000m is more or less difficult for those same athletes?
i ran 10:15 on 30 mpw in high school and have run 2:27 on 55-60 mpw as a 31 year oldi was a 400m/800m runner in h.s. though, only ran the 3200m 4-5 times, my sophomore year9:15 is very good, i'd bet low 2:20's at least if you can develop
corbin handprint wrote:
Assuming they trained well. The 9:15 was on 80 mpw mostly at 7:40 pace.
disgraceful_admin wrote:
TrackB0t wrote:First thread you saw and you don't plan on coming back?
The average 9:15 guy ~2:23.40 marathon from the vdot charts. Most guys will get some improvement and be more like a 2:20 guys with a few turning into 2:15 and some guys who can not handle the event being 2:25. Of course the reality is that just about 0 of 9:15 guys are going to train properly for the marathon for the next 12 years. A good chunk will try to run a fast 5/10k over the next 4 years and maybe a year or two after college but then life does them in
So you're basically saying that an OT Marathon qualifying time is very achievable for someone who was in the 9:15 range at 17-18 yrs?
Would you say that qualifying for the OT 1500m/5000m is more or less difficult for those same athletes?
I find this question interesting because running 13:30 or so is by no means even a reasonable expectation for a high school 9:15 guy, right? Yet you guys think that 2:15-2:20 is a fair goal for those guys.
Is the Marathon standard much easier than 1500m/5000m?
On the one hand it takes more work as far as mileage and years, but speed isn't as much of a limiting factor. On the other hand, aging doesn't come into play for several more years after guys pass their 1500m/5000m peak so there's more time to train for that marathon standard - it isn't absurd to run close to your peak marathon in your mid to late 30s, right? Whereas that's probably very tough to do in 1500m/5000m.
Running 5:20 pace isn't as hard as running 4:20 pace.
Flagpole wrote:
corbin handprint wrote:Assuming they trained well. The 9:15 was on 80 mpw mostly at 7:40 pace.
Those are such two very different animals. Just really no way to know unless you train and do it.
Even when comparing 3200 to 5000, you can't even tell. I've seen HS kids with 9:15 3200 PRs who couldn't break 16:00 for 5k in CC and then kids who ran only 9:35 who could run 15:30 for 5k in CC.
Just can't tell.
How many 9:15 HS guys have you had close ties to? Or are you just making s**t up as usual?
Flagpole wrote:
corbin handprint wrote:Assuming they trained well. The 9:15 was on 80 mpw mostly at 7:40 pace.
Those are such two very different animals. Just really no way to know unless you train and do it.
Even when comparing 3200 to 5000, you can't even tell. I've seen HS kids with 9:15 3200 PRs who couldn't break 16:00 for 5k in CC and then kids who ran only 9:35 who could run 15:30 for 5k in CC.
Just can't tell.
Been in the game for a long time and I've never seen a 9:15 3200 guy who couldn't break 16 in XC. I've known a few 9:30 - 9:40 dudes who couldn't break 16 (usually 1:55/4:20 guys who couldn't handle anything longer than a mile), but when you're in 9:15 3200 shape, you're going to break 16 over 5k in the fall unless you get seriously injured or stop running.
To the OP: no real way of knowing how well you'll be able to run a marathon. One of my best friends ran 10:30/16:30 in high school (pretty sure his girlfriend was faster than him over 3200m by a good 5 seconds) but ran under 2:30 while in college (not sure if he improved from there). Another friend was a 9:30/15:30 guy who got injured if he went above 60 MPW and always bonked around mile 20 in the marathon--he never broke 3 hours.
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Flagpole wrote:Those are such two very different animals. Just really no way to know unless you train and do it.
Even when comparing 3200 to 5000, you can't even tell. I've seen HS kids with 9:15 3200 PRs who couldn't break 16:00 for 5k in CC and then kids who ran only 9:35 who could run 15:30 for 5k in CC.
Just can't tell.
How many 9:15 HS guys have you had close ties to? Or are you just making s**t up as usual?
I actually know several. You simply can't say that because someone ran 9:15 for a 3200 that he will run X in a 5000 or even less of a connection to a marathon.
disgraceful_admin wrote:
disgraceful_admin wrote:So you're basically saying that an OT Marathon qualifying time is very achievable for someone who was in the 9:15 range at 17-18 yrs?
Would you say that qualifying for the OT 1500m/5000m is more or less difficult for those same athletes?
I find this question interesting because running 13:30 or so is by no means even a reasonable expectation for a high school 9:15 guy, right? Yet you guys think that 2:15-2:20 is a fair goal for those guys.
Is the Marathon standard much easier than 1500m/5000m?
On the one hand it takes more work as far as mileage and years, but speed isn't as much of a limiting factor. On the other hand, aging doesn't come into play for several more years after guys pass their 1500m/5000m peak so there's more time to train for that marathon standard - it isn't absurd to run close to your peak marathon in your mid to late 30s, right? Whereas that's probably very tough to do in 1500m/5000m.
The marathon is much, much easier. You don't see a ton more qualifiers because
A) people don't want to live on 20k/yr and dedicate themselves to something that does matter
B) runnin 100+, getting workouts in, after working 60+ hours is hard
Look at Japan for example of how easier it is to crank out these type of guys if find a way to keep them training. few people keep going
Flagpole wrote:
I actually know several. You simply can't say that because someone ran 9:15 for a 3200 that he will run X in a 5000 or even less of a connection to a marathon.
So you know several runners who could run two consecutive 4:37 1600s but couldn't run 5:08s for 5k? Were they running on the country's most difficult cross country courses? Were they supremely talented and aerobically completely undeveloped? This is a ridiculous claim without context.