Trump or Hillary?
Trump or Hillary?
Entitled millennials, Mexicans, intersex people, teen moms, celebrities, Nike Oregon Project members and fans...
Seems like mostly Hillary supporters to me
A lot of third party voter would never even have considered voting for a dem or repub so I don't think all third party votes is theft from another candidate. I think many of them are votes created that wouldn't have existed with just the two parties.
He seems more level headed than the major candidates, but guessing he'll be getting votes from Republicans that would sit home rather than pulling Trump's lever.
Think please wrote:
A lot of third party voter would never even have considered voting for a dem or repub so I don't think all third party votes is theft from another candidate. I think many of them are votes created that wouldn't have existed with just the two parties.
would you care to answer the question?
Why do you think he is "stealing" votes from anyone?
I may be a Johnson voter this fall. I will not be voting for Trump because he does not represent my political opinions and positions. I will not be voting for Clinton because she does not represent my political opinions or positions.
If I vote for Johnson (or some other candidate) nobody is stealing my vote. I will be voting for the person who best represents my political views.
Sorry to have offended you, you altruistic voter you.
Think please wrote:
A lot of third party voter would never even have considered voting for a dem or repub so I don't think all third party votes is theft from another candidate. I think many of them are votes created that wouldn't have existed with just the two parties.
No thirds party votes are theft from another candidate. People are allowed to vote for whoever they want to.
All this talk of theft and stealing is a way to try to delegitimize third-party candidates.
rowberringer wrote:
Think please wrote:A lot of third party voter would never even have considered voting for a dem or repub so I don't think all third party votes is theft from another candidate. I think many of them are votes created that wouldn't have existed with just the two parties.
would you care to answer the question?
If i had to pick a name I would say Trump. I can't see very many people jumping from center left to libertarian right but I can see lots of people jumping from a republican party they're currently very displeased with to a republican like party with a brain and morals.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Why do you think he is "stealing" votes from anyone?
I may be a Johnson voter this fall. I will not be voting for Trump because he does not represent my political opinions and positions. I will not be voting for Clinton because she does not represent my political opinions or positions.
If I vote for Johnson (or some other candidate) nobody is stealing my vote. I will be voting for the person who best represents my political views.
But in all honesty I mainly agree with this guy. I'm voting for Stein and I never even considered anyone else. She didn't steal my vote. She's had it all along.
I will be voting for Johnson this Fall, however political movement never grow from the middle, they are always from the far ends of the spectrum.
Johnson appeals to disenfranchised Bernie fans and traditional GOP members who view him as the lesser of two evils
Houston=city of intelligence wrote:
Johnson appeals to disenfranchised Bernie fans and traditional GOP members who view him as the lesser of two evils
No way, Bernie fans want the government to do everything for them. Johnson is all about personal responsibility and less government except for the most basic services.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
All this talk of theft and stealing is a way to try to delegitimize third-party candidates.
They've de-legitimized themselves.
They show up ever four years and haven't made any progress on their platforms. They haven't run competitively in local elections, statewide elections or any others. They aren't running for dogcatcher, county commissioner, or any of the other offices that need to be filled.
They show up only for the Presidency where no one takes them seriously, because their party has no history of governing anything!
Johnson himself only had success running as a Republican!
A valid third party needs a bottom up strategy. Show me your party can win and govern on a local level. Then maybe I'll think about voting for you for something even bigger.
rowberringer wrote:
would you care to answer the question?
Gary Johnson is not a thief. Stealing votes is illegal. He would never do such a thing.
No, seriously wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:All this talk of theft and stealing is a way to try to delegitimize third-party candidates.
They've de-legitimized themselves.
They show up ever four years and haven't made any progress on their platforms. They haven't run competitively in local elections, statewide elections or any others. They aren't running for dogcatcher, county commissioner, or any of the other offices that need to be filled.
They show up only for the Presidency where no one takes them seriously, because their party has no history of governing anything!
Johnson himself only had success running as a Republican!
A valid third party needs a bottom up strategy. Show me your party can win and govern on a local level. Then maybe I'll think about voting for you for something even bigger.
You do know that third parties organize in every state and hold lots of elected positions all over the U.S. Mayors, city council members etc. If you cared about politics more than just every four years than you might notice that there are lots of people who care every day of every year. Unlike you. For example the Greens hold over 130 local elected offices. There are even a few state representatives. The libertarians hold even more offices. Maybe you should look past your cable news shows you fool.
Fine. How about framing the question this way:
Of the people who wind up voting for Gary Johnson, do they lean more to the left or right?
The whole question is stupid. It assumes the only parties that are legitimate are the Republicans and Democrats. Thus any votes that go to third parties are "stolen" from them. Wrong. Those votes always belonged to the voters themselves, not to any political party.
I would say that a wasted vote is voting for anybody you don't believe in. If you believe in the third party, that's the guy you need to voice for. That's how you change things.
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